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    Quote Originally Posted by Nater View Post
    Not the same situation. There was quite a bit of holdover from last Quad into this Quad, and the judges did a lot of work to hold down the up-and-comers to benefit them. I don't see the judges being as willing to rip off the younger skaters moving forward, if this season has been any indication. Asada, Kim, Kostner, Suzuki, Wagner are all holdovers.

    This time, it will be different. All of the holdovers will be newbies, and countries like the US and Russia have a ton of Junior level skaters that will invade the senior ranks in a couple years.

    Edmunds
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    Radionova
    Medvedeva
    Sotskova
    Sakhanovich
    Proklova

    That's not talking about Sotnikova, Tuktamysheva (when she gets over her back issues), Lipnitskaya, Gold, and others.

    If Mao wants to stay in until 2018, she will have to do 2-3 triple axels per competition for 4 more years because the judges will find it increasingly hard to justify gifting her wins based on PCS for that long.

    I don't see her being competitive. Even now, she's pushing the envelop and I'm not sure she will be able to do 3 clean 3As, but anything can happen at the Olympics so we'll have to wait and see that...

    Compared to the last quad there is an intimidation factor present now that wasn't then. Still I would like it if it was just Mao hanging in there whilst the new order shake things up. It would be an interesting new chapter in her competitive career.

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    I'd love if she did... however, if she wishes to retire, I'm fine with that too...

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    I'd really love to see her go in another direction and explore more artistic skating in a freer environment. The Asian pro skating scene seems to be unusually lively, and she would surely have a huge audience both in arenas and on Japanese TV (which I hope fans would share with the rest of us on YouTube). This is not a skater who should be evaluated in tenths of points any longer. She has far more to offer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olympia View Post
    I'd really love to see her go in another direction and explore more artistic skating in a freer environment. The Asian pro skating scene seems to be unusually lively, and she would surely have a huge audience both in arenas and on Japanese TV (which I hope fans would share with the rest of us on YouTube). This is not a skater who should be evaluated in tenths of points any longer. She has far more to offer.
    Wow, I love this comment of yours; totally agree with you .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olympia View Post
    I'd really love to see her go in another direction and explore more artistic skating in a freer environment. The Asian pro skating scene seems to be unusually lively, and she would surely have a huge audience both in arenas and on Japanese TV (which I hope fans would share with the rest of us on YouTube). This is not a skater who should be evaluated in tenths of points any longer. She has far more to offer.
    Agree. Imagine how beautiful her show programs will be

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nater View Post
    Not the same situation. There was quite a bit of holdover from last Quad into this Quad, and the judges did a lot of work to hold down the up-and-comers to benefit them. I don't see the judges being as willing to rip off the younger skaters moving forward, if this season has been any indication. Asada, Kim, Kostner, Suzuki, Wagner are all holdovers.

    This time, it will be different. All of the holdovers will be newbies, and countries like the US and Russia have a ton of Junior level skaters that will invade the senior ranks in a couple years.

    Edmunds
    [Karen] Chen
    Radionova
    Medvedeva
    Sotskova
    Sakhanovich
    Proklova

    That's not talking about Sotnikova, Tuktamysheva (when she gets over her back issues), Lipnitskaya, Gold, and others.

    If Mao wants to stay in until 2018, she will have to do 2-3 triple axels per competition for 4 more years because the judges will find it increasingly hard to justify gifting her wins based on PCS for that long.

    I don't see her being competitive. Even now, she's pushing the envelop and I'm not sure she will be able to do 3 clean 3As, but anything can happen at the Olympics so we'll have to wait and see that...
    Exactly. It would be a big mistake for any of the holdovers (well apart from maybe Wagner as she has different goals than the others) to stay in any longer past this season.

    The only part I disagree with is the judges working to hold down the newer generation. The newer generation simply hasnt risen this quad. The girls who looked like the new generation 4 years ago like Nagasu, Flatt, Murakami, Lepisto, simply havent gone anywhere, apart from Murakami to a degree but she has << and jump quality and consistency issues. Then the generation of Sotnikova, Tuktamysheva, Lipnitskaya, and Gold havent done anything to justify being competitive except for Lipnitskaya this year on the grand prix series. Sotnikova and Gold finally getting it together for their own Nationals this season for the first time really. Had someone made their mark sooner it would be a different situation, but that didnt happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pangtongfan View Post
    Exactly. It would be a big mistake for any of the holdovers (well apart from maybe Wagner as she has different goals than the others) to stay in any longer past this season.

    The only part I disagree with is the judges working to hold down the newer generation. The newer generation simply hasnt risen this quad. The girls who looked like the new generation 4 years ago like Nagasu, Flatt, Murakami, Lepisto, simply havent gone anywhere, apart from Murakami to a degree but she has << and jump quality and consistency issues. Then the generation of Sotnikova, Tuktamysheva, Lipnitskaya, and Gold havent done anything to justify being competitive except for Lipnitskaya this year on the grand prix series. Sotnikova and Gold finally getting it together for their own Nationals this season for the first time really. Had someone made their mark sooner it would be a different situation, but that didnt happen.
    The generation of Sot, Gold and Lip simply haven't had the time to establish themselves like Kim and Asada did heading into Vancouver. Kim and Asada were eligible for Worlds the very next season after the 2006 Olympics and had the full 4 years before the Vancouver Olympics to make a name for themselves while someone like Sot wasn't old enough to go to Worlds until last season and Lip still wasn't old enough for Worlds until this season. As for someone like Gold she simply wasn't a phenom at 14 and took more time to start becoming a contender. But just in the last year the kids have really started putting the pressure on the veterans and have made huge improvements so i say it's time for the holdovers from the last 8 years to retire.

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    Mao said in the article of Yomiuri newspaper a few weeks ago that she wanted to try Honolulu marathon after retiring. Her sister, Mai, has participated in it before and that was inspiring for her.
    Mao is an athlete by nature.

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