Kim to be skating in the fourth group
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Here are the rest of the ladies and their World Rankings:
24 WEINZIERL Nathalie
28 GEDEVANISHVILI Elene
29 KIM Yu-Na
30 GLEBOVA Elena
31 POPOVA Natalia
34 HAN Brooklee
35 McCORKELL Jenna
36 ZHANG Kexin
38 OSMOND Kaetlyn
39 KIM Hae-Jin
41 FRANK Kerstin
46 PARK So-Youn
49 RAJICOVA Nicole
53 DALEMAN Gabrielle
77 UKOLOVA Elizaveta
79 WILLIAMS Isadora
91 EDMUNDS Polina
92 GJERSEM Anne Line
24 WEINZIERL Nathalie
28 GEDEVANISHVILI Elene
29 KIM Yu-Na
30 GLEBOVA Elena
31 POPOVA Natalia
34 HAN Brooklee
35 McCORKELL Jenna
36 ZHANG Kexin
38 OSMOND Kaetlyn
39 KIM Hae-Jin
41 FRANK Kerstin
46 PARK So-Youn
49 RAJICOVA Nicole
53 DALEMAN Gabrielle
77 UKOLOVA Elizaveta
79 WILLIAMS Isadora
91 EDMUNDS Polina
92 GJERSEM Anne Line
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I'm very encouraged for Polina. By being in the first groups she gets to experience high level competition but competition that she can do well against. The realistic goal for Polina is making it to the Free Skate. Medals? Next Olympics. If she even gets close to top ten that would have to be considered a major success.
I have a question, can you explain to me why Carolina is ranked 1# in the World order and not Mao? Mao won every Grand Prix assingnment this season, but Caro didn't win any competition.
I know that she placed avove Mao at worlds 2013, but so did Yuna and she's now ranked much lower... I dont really get it xD
This is KIM we're talking about! Not some up-and-coming, no-reputation skater, that the judges don't care about. Skating early will be no disadvantage to her point scoring.
I think it's a huge psychological ADVANTAGE. When warming up, she will be the only "big fish" in a small pond - with no serious competitors there to psych her out. And just before she has to skate, she not have to contend with any standing ovations, giant roof-lifting applause, showers of flowers/toys on the ice (if such things are allowed at the Olympics), or seeing somebody else get a huge score...
Very smart idea to take it easy in the run up to the Olympics - if you can (I figure you need to skate for a country where you have no real domestic competion, or otherwise guaranteed to go to the Olympics no matter what). Don't wear yourself out... don't risk injury... focus on peaking only once, in February... let your ranking drop so you skate in an earlier group.
I had wondered if anybody else would do something like this, Fernandez perhaps... Reynolds...
I think it's a huge psychological ADVANTAGE. When warming up, she will be the only "big fish" in a small pond - with no serious competitors there to psych her out. And just before she has to skate, she not have to contend with any standing ovations, giant roof-lifting applause, showers of flowers/toys on the ice (if such things are allowed at the Olympics), or seeing somebody else get a huge score...
Very smart idea to take it easy in the run up to the Olympics - if you can (I figure you need to skate for a country where you have no real domestic competion, or otherwise guaranteed to go to the Olympics no matter what). Don't wear yourself out... don't risk injury... focus on peaking only once, in February... let your ranking drop so you skate in an earlier group.
I had wondered if anybody else would do something like this, Fernandez perhaps... Reynolds...
Check the computation here:
http://www.isuresults.com/ws/ws/wsladies.htm
For each season, only one out of several ISU championships, two out of GP/GPF, and two out of B competitions count. So winning every Grand Prix assignment does not contribute to the standing. Kostner got a medal from Euro but Mao didn't go to 4CC this season, which makes the difference.
Thank you very much.
Now I get it, thanks for the link. But I wonder, if 3 seasons are considered, it is not really an indication of who's the best right NOW, if points from previous seasons hold you up, is it?
For that matter, ISU has another list:
http://www.isuresults.com/ws/wr/wrladies.htm
However, if you did not go to either Euro or 4CC, you would be pushed down in the list, too. I don't think it would be meaningful to decide who is the best based on these lists.
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According to the document, the objective of ISU World Standing is:
To present an objective and accountable standings system for all skaters in Single & Pair Skating and Ice Dance during a particular season which takes into account the results of the preceding two seasons ensuring that skaters who were unable to compete for a certain period of time remain in the World Standings and are considered according to their true basic competitiveness. The ISU World Standings are used as basis for all draws in ISU Events as well as one of the skaters selection criteria for the ISU Grand Prix of Figure Skating and other ISU Events designated by the Council.
Apparently the first column of points, labeled as Worlds or Olympics, actually includes the points from Euros and 4CC as well. I has assumed the latter 2 falls under "Selected International Competition". Euros/4CC also worth more points than GPF. Either way, the standing is used for draws and as selection criteria, not really an indication of who's top dog or who's dog ****. Polina Edmunds is ranked 91st with 505 points (zero this season); 7 place ahead of Miki Ando who's ranked 98th with 450 points (all from this season).
To present an objective and accountable standings system for all skaters in Single & Pair Skating and Ice Dance during a particular season which takes into account the results of the preceding two seasons ensuring that skaters who were unable to compete for a certain period of time remain in the World Standings and are considered according to their true basic competitiveness. The ISU World Standings are used as basis for all draws in ISU Events as well as one of the skaters selection criteria for the ISU Grand Prix of Figure Skating and other ISU Events designated by the Council.
Apparently the first column of points, labeled as Worlds or Olympics, actually includes the points from Euros and 4CC as well. I has assumed the latter 2 falls under "Selected International Competition". Euros/4CC also worth more points than GPF. Either way, the standing is used for draws and as selection criteria, not really an indication of who's top dog or who's dog ****. Polina Edmunds is ranked 91st with 505 points (zero this season); 7 place ahead of Miki Ando who's ranked 98th with 450 points (all from this season).
The same logic. Marchei and Meite went to Euro, but Gracie did not go to 4CC.
Thanks again
Yes, I suppose you're right about these lists. They could probably only really work, if every skater attended every competition on this list.
Kostner has better ranking points from championchips - 1920 for 1st at Worlds-2012 and 2nd at Worlds-2013. 3rd place at Euro-2014 gives her nothing - only two best results of championships are calculated at World Standing.
Asada has 1501 - 6th at Worlds-2012 and 3rd at Worlds-2013.
Asada has much better points from GP-GPF - 2400, maximum possible points (only best 4 of 6 possible results are calculated).
Kostner has 1524.
Kostner also has 675 points from three Senior B competitions. Asada - 0, she does not compete at this level.
So sum is higher for Kostner.
Valentina Marchei is higher than Gracie Gold at first because she has four results of SeniorB, while Gracie has only two.
System of World Standing encourages skaters to compete actively at many different competitions. So who does so, has hogher standing.
Asada has 1501 - 6th at Worlds-2012 and 3rd at Worlds-2013.
Asada has much better points from GP-GPF - 2400, maximum possible points (only best 4 of 6 possible results are calculated).
Kostner has 1524.
Kostner also has 675 points from three Senior B competitions. Asada - 0, she does not compete at this level.
So sum is higher for Kostner.
Valentina Marchei is higher than Gracie Gold at first because she has four results of SeniorB, while Gracie has only two.
System of World Standing encourages skaters to compete actively at many different competitions. So who does so, has hogher standing.
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I suppose that will be the case at Sochi too. A separate draw for 16-18 does sound odd, though. In Vancouver SP skating orders were set into 6 groups of 5 each, and I believe the separate draws were done for Group 1-3 (1-15), Group 4 (16-20), and then Group 5-6 (21-30), with Asada and Kim ended up skating back to back in the 5th group.
Anyway, I don't think the SP skating order would be crucial.
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The Olympic judges won't make the same mistake as their colleagues at 2013 Worlds and hold Yuna down/close to the rest of the competition. Besides the small uproar that her relatively low SP score caused, she embarrassed them by still winning the event by a landslide. Plus, she's established as top dog again -- and, like it or not, reputation plays a significant role in scoring.
That said, she should lead after the SP only if she's perfectly clean (unless every skater in the final two groups is undone by nerves/bad ice/what have you).
That said, she should lead after the SP only if she's perfectly clean (unless every skater in the final two groups is undone by nerves/bad ice/what have you).
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That is hugely unfair if Kim is in the 4th group and both Russians and Asada and Kostner are in the final group.
You just know that the judges will boost the final group's PCS, especially having both Russians in it.
You just know that the judges will boost the final group's PCS, especially having both Russians in it.
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I think the fundamental difference is that Plushenko and Shen/Zhao were not the reigning World Champions, nor had they even competed at Worlds in that quadrennial leading to their comebacks in 2010, let alone competed a whole lot.
I get that rankings are rankings, but it's pretty silly to have the reigning World champion not even skate in the final 2 groups, let alone final group. Particularly on a stage like this. Get ready for the onslaught of PCS bs.
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