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    Is Ammann only good in north america? Lol seems like maybe true.

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    So happy for Kamil! He was great And I could hear my national anthem at the Olympics thanks to him!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SimplyLex View Post
    Kamil Stoch was phenomenal! Nobody came close. Also congrats to the other medalists - and Bardal reminded everyone he's still there
    Oh, I donít think anybody forgot about Bardal! OK, so he might have only had 1 World Cup win this season, but there have been very few occasions when he has not been in the Top 10.

    Quote Originally Posted by Poice View Post
    So happy for Kamil! He was great And I could hear my national anthem at the Olympics thanks to him!
    OK, so maybe I underestimated Kamil Stoch a bit. OK, a lot! But, that assessment was written before Stoch got the double win at Willingen last weekend.

    Those two jumps from Kamil in the Olympic Normal Hill competition on Sunday were magnificent. After the first round, we knew that it was going to take a massive jump in the second round to beat him. But for him to put in another massive jump just shows that Round 1 was no fluke.

    Three wins on the trot just shows that Stoch is the guy on form at the right time. And he is normally good on the big hills as well. So that is an ominous warning for the rest of the field ahead of the Olympic Big Hill competition this weekend.

    Quote Originally Posted by kasik8222 View Post
    Gold and Silver for Poland and Slovenia. Amazing evening for both these guys
    You know, although they are not at the level of Austria yet, the Polish and Slovenian teams are showing that they can become genuine regular contenders over the next Olympic cycle.

    I have said a few times that Slovenia has a very big reservoir of talent. Like I genuinely believe that there are 4 or 5 that can become regular World Cup winners over the next few seasons.

    For me, Kranjec is probably the strongest of the Slovenian Men. So, it was very unfortunate that he got injured in the qualifying for the Olympic Normal Hill competition. But, Prevc sure made up for it!

    Although it was a slightly depleted field, the fact that we had an all-Slovenian podium in Sapporo a few weeks ago is a sign of things to come.

    As for Poland, well they also have a lot of strong jumpers. However, ever since Adam Malysz retired, there hasnít really been a Pole that has been consistently near the top. They seem to be taking it in turns each competition.

    Take the first 4 competitions of this seasonís World Cup as an example. Krzysztof Biegun won the opening competition at Klingenthal, while his team-mates Piotr Zyla and Maciej Kot were 5th and 6th. Stoch was only 37th. Onto Kuusamo, and Stoch was the only Pole to make the Top 10 (in 10th place), with the next Pole being Krzysztof Biegun in 18th. First competition at Lillehammer, and Kot was 5th with the next Pole being Stoch in 20th. Second Lillehammer competition, and Zyla was in 6th, with the next Pole being Stoch in 18th.

    At the moment, the strongest is definitely Stoch! But, that may change almost overnight.


    But, what I did find interesting was that the top 2 in the Normal Hill competition just happened to be the current Top 2 in the World Cup standings.

    Itís just a pity that Noriaki Kasai didnít complete that pattern by getting the Bronze medal. But, at least both his jumps were 100m or more. And just remember, Kasai always seems to do his best on the bigger hillsÖ

    Quote Originally Posted by gmyers View Post
    Is Ammann only good in north america? Lol seems like maybe true.
    Come on, that is not fair! OK, so it may seem like that when it comes to the Olympics. But what about all the wins that he has had in Europe in the World Cup over the years?!

    Heíll not do the double at this Olympics, but I would not bet against him getting a good result in the Big Hill competition next weekend. Heís one of those guys you canít count out.


    Oh, and don't forget that the inaugural Olympic Womenís competition is today. The Trial round starts at 16:30 GMT (the same time as the Group 3 Warm-up for the Pairs Short gets underway), with the Competition itself starting at 17:30 GMT (when Berton / Hortorek will be getting their scores)

    Iíll post more details in the Womenís thread in a moment

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    Just a wee reminder that the Qualifying for the Individual Big Hill competition will be starting in around 20 minutes, i.e. during Brian Joubert's FS routine.

    Unfortunately, the BBC is not showing it on the TV. So if you want to watch it, you'll have do it on their website.

    Official BBC Livestream Channel

    Hope this helps

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    Sorry, haven't had a chance to write a qualifying report.

    Just a wee reminder that the Individual Big Hill competition will be starting in around 40 minutes.

    And, unlike yesterday's Qualification, the BBC will be showing it on TV, on BBCi2

    Official BBC Livestream Channel

    This is NOT the same livestream page that was used for yesterday's qualification, or any previous competitions.

    Here are the details on how to receive BBCi2:

    Digital terrestrial (UK only): Ch. 302 on Freeview
    Digital cable (UK only): Ch. 992 on Virgin Media
    Digital satellite (Europe): Ch. 978 on SkyDigital
    Astra 28.2E, Transponder 76 (12.551V. MBaud 22,000. FEC 5/6).
    NOTE: The channel you want for the ski jumping is labelled ďBBC RB 2Ē

    Hope this helps

    CaroLiza_fan

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    I thought there couldn't possibly be another finish as exciting as there was to the Women's Cross Country this morning.

    How wrong was I?!

    I was getting just as excited towards the end of the Big Hill competition!!!

    In the first round, Noriaki Kasai and Kamil Stoch both jumped 139.0m. But, Kamil took the lead because each judge gave him 0.5 points more than Nori. And, Nori had a bigger wind deduction.

    Third in the first round was Severin Freund, with Petr Prevc 4th.

    Simon Ammann was only 29th in the first round, jumping 125m. And although he got 131m in the 2nd round, it only moved him up to 23rd overall.

    Notable names that didn't make it to the 2nd round included Morgi, who finished 40th with a jump of 122m. Diethart was 32nd, with a jump of 126.5m. And Andreas Wellinger, who finished 45th after jumping 117m, and did not have a good landing.

    Despite hurting himself last week, and being told to sit out for 6 weeks, Robert Kranjec was back jumping 5 days later! He finished 37th in the first round, with a jump of 125.5m. As Patrick Winterton said in commentary, the good news to take from this is that he won't jump in the 2nd round, and so will get some more rest before the Team Competition on Monday.

    The 2nd round got interesting very quickly. Russian veteran Demitri Vassiliev only finished 25th in the first round. But in the 2nd round got the longest jump of the day with 144.5m! Unfortunately, his bum and then both his hands touched the snow, so his style points were very low. But, even if he had got a good landing, he wouldn't have won anyway with his first round effort.

    Marinus Kraus jumped just after Vassiliev, and ended up leading for most of the competition! It was only towards the end of the competition that he relinquished the lead, eventually finishing 6th.

    It soon got VERY exciting. Prevc jumped, and then Freund slotted in behind him. This left the Top 2 - Kasai and Stoch.

    Kasai jumped, and reached 133.5m. And the whole place erupted when he took the lead! All the Japanese jumpers ran out and give Nori a massive group hug!

    Then it was Stoch. He jumped, and only managed 132.5m. And there was a tense wait for the judges scores to come through.

    As it happened, there was practically no difference between Kasai and Stoch in terms of judges scores or compensation. So, Stoch won due to his advantage from the first round.

    I LOVE Nori, so I was absolutely gutted. But, Nori wasn't too disappointed... he was delighted!!! And so was the TV director. When Stoch was being carried around the out-run by his team-mates, the TV cameras were firmly focussed Kasai!

    And when they were marching out for the podium ceremony, it was Kasai who was visibly happiest. Whereas the others were just walking out, Nori was waving to the crowds. You could see his smile for miles! When they reached the podium, Nori had a massive jump up in the air when he was given the flowers. He was absolutely loving it!!!

    And so was everybody watching!!!

    So, Stoch has become only the third person to win the Olympic double.

    But, the interesting thing was - it was the current Top 3 in the World Cup standings that were on the podium. The leader won, while Prevc and Kasai just swapped positions.

    A great competition, and a great result. Roll on the Team Competition!

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    Noriaki Kasai is a wonder. Honestly, those guys could be his children and he is besting them. Would have loved to see him win. That was really exciting.

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    The tension was unbelievable! It could've gone either way, although it is commonly known Stoch's style is nearly perfect and he usually gets good points from the judges. His first jump was poetry!

    Kasai was phenomenal. 42 years of age and the longest jumps of the competition. Just wow.

    You need to remember though that Vassiliev and Kraus jumped from a different gate than the top guys, thus the long jumps.

    Interestingly, with the jumps of today, Japan would've won the team competition, with Poland in second. Wouldn't that be a surprising team podium?

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    I wish Kasai had won, but regardless it was a fantastic competition.

    Also really happy with Mackenzie Boyd-Clowes finishing 25th, his best ever finish in a major tournament.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaroLiza_fan View Post
    The Story So Far

    In the few years leading up to Vancouver, the story in Ski Jumping was largely a tale of 3 men ...

    etc.... (the rest of nonsense deleted)...
    So much for this complete nonsense. You appear to be as good in predicting ski jumping as I am in predicting figure skating.. lol
    I even learned to avoid predicting figure skating because it's going exactly opposite. And with my faves losing!

    I like when John McEnroe predicts tennis slam winners. It's always exactly opposite. My wife is closer predicting who is on the rise and who is going down in tennis than John is. With the difference John is paid for it and my wife isn't..

    And my wife is also great in figure skating predictions. Unfortunately I cannot publish it because it will jinx it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SimplyLex View Post
    You need to remember though that Vassiliev and Kraus jumped from a different gate than the top guys, thus the long jumps.
    Erm, did the gate change not come in between Vassiliev and Kraus' jumps. Because I distinctly remember thinking "Ah, they're changing the gate because we just had a very long jump". Or, am I getting mixed up with another gate change?

    Quote Originally Posted by SimplyLex View Post
    Interestingly, with the jumps of today, Japan would've won the team competition, with Poland in second. Wouldn't that be a surprising team podium?
    It would indeed! And it would be great as well, given how inconsistent these jumpers have been over the past season or two! Stoch and Kasai are the only guys from these teams that have been consistently near the top this year. So, it would be great to see their team-mates come into form at just the right time.

    Quote Originally Posted by CezarMart View Post
    So much for this complete nonsense. You appear to be as good in predicting ski jumping as I am in predicting figure skating.. lol
    And that is why I love ski jumping - it is unpredictable! Yes, you have jumpers that tend to be near the top. But, it is all down to what they can do on the day, and the conditions that are presented to them. So, we can have people come out of no-where and do well.

    Although, I should add - it was not toally unexpected for Kasai to get on the podium yesterday, as he does tend to do well on the bigger hills. As I said at the start of this thread:

    Quote Originally Posted by CaroLiza_fan View Post
    Other names to look out for include Noriaki Kasai. The oldest regular competitor in the World Cup at 41 years old, he recently had his first World Cup win in 10 years. Nori has also been having a very good season, and is currently lying 4th overall in the World Cup standings. A dark horse for an Olympic medal, particularly in the Ski Flying!
    OK, so the Olympics were on a Big Hill, rather than a Flying Hill. But, it still proved big enough for Nori!

    Quote Originally Posted by CezarMart View Post
    I even learned to avoid predicting figure skating because it's going exactly opposite. And with my faves losing!
    Quote Originally Posted by CezarMart View Post
    And my wife is also great in figure skating predictions. Unfortunately I cannot publish it because it will jinx it.
    You know, that was what I was worried about when I first started playing the GP Predictions Game. And, sure enough, I did tend to jinx my favourites!

    Sure, it was totally my fault that Plushy ended his career the way he did! I predicted him to be on the podium in the Olympics Individual competition. And next thing you know, he hurts himself doing a jump in the warm-up, and has to withdraw.

    I'M SO SORRY ZHENYA!!!

    And that is why I was nervous about doing predictions for the Olympics, because I really want my favourites to do well. But, since I somehow ended up running the Predictions Games, it would look bad if I didn't join in! Plus, it is actually really fun!

    I hope you and your wife's predictions are going well, and that you are not jinxing your favourites this time!

    CaroLiza_fan

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaroLiza_fan View Post
    Erm, did the gate change not come in between Vassiliev and Kraus' jumps. Because I distinctly remember thinking "Ah, they're changing the gate because we just had a very long jump". Or, am I getting mixed up with another gate change?
    IIRC they changed the gate twice. First time between Vassiliev and Kraus and then again some time after Kraus. But I might be wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SimplyLex View Post
    IIRC they changed the gate twice. First time between Vassiliev and Kraus and then again some time after Kraus. But I might be wrong.
    Vassiliev jumped from gate 33, they moved it to 32 for Kraus and to 31 for Schlierenzauer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SimplyLex View Post
    IIRC they changed the gate twice. First time between Vassiliev and Kraus and then again some time after Kraus. But I might be wrong.
    Quote Originally Posted by Near View Post
    Vassiliev jumped from gate 33, they moved it to 32 for Kraus and to 31 for Schlierenzauer.
    Right. Thank you SimplyLex and Near. I only noticed one of the gate changes.


    Anyway, just a wee reminder that the Team Big Hill competition will be starting in around 45 minutes, i.e when Nathalie and Fabian are getting their scores.

    Now, because they are showing curling, BBCi1 will not be joining the Ski Jumping Normal Hill competition today until 18:00 GMT.

    HOWEVER, the ski jumping will be shown in its entirety on the BBC website, from 17:10 GMT.

    Official BBC Livestream Channel

    This is NOT the same livestreaming channel that was used for any of the previous competitions.

    BBCi1 is available via:

    BBCi1 is available via:

    Digital terrestrial (UK only): Ch. 301 on Freeview
    Digital cable (UK only): Ch. 991 on Virgin Media
    Digital satellite (Europe): Ch. 977 on SkyDigital
    Astra 28.2E, Transponder 45 (10.773H. MBaud 22,000. FEC 5/6).
    NOTE: The channel you want for the skating is labelled ďBBC RB 1Ē

    Hope this helps

    CaroLiza_fan

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    After Dance was over I watched the jumping and wow, that was really exciting. Favourite moment was when they didn't show the marks on the screen, but somehow the Austrian marks. But then the german team went tumbling down, and it was clear they realized they made it! They were so happy, amazing. Good job!

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