Is USA out of team event already?

USA - They're technically in 7th after men and pairs shorts.

Only 5 teams advance to the next competition. the other 5 are out (didn't qualify)

U.S. Figure Skating said they're in 5 place, tied with Germany and France (the 3 countries with 10 points) but standing table show Germany in 5, France in 6 and USA in 7.

According to rules If countries tie, all advance to next competition but I'm checking the rules and I think USA didn't qualify, they already broke the tie that's why the standing are 5.Germany6.France7.USA if this is the case how unfortunate! Jeremy had a bad day didn't help the team at all, and Marissa and Simon had a mistake It's sucks that Charlie and Meryl are next and they can help the team so much to the point to put them on podium hope Germany, France and USA all advance.

Oh, Jeremy, Jeremy.

I was wondering which Jeremy would show up .....

TripleToe said:

USA - They're technically in 7th after men and pairs shorts.

U.S. Figure Skating said they're in 5 place, tied with Germany and France (the 3 countries with 10 points) but standing table show Germany in 5, France in 6 and USA in 7.

According to rules If countries tie, all advance to next competition but I'm checking the rules and I think USA didn't qualify, if this is the case how unfortunate, Jeremy had a bad day didn't help the team at all, and Marissa and Simon had a mistake It's sucks that Charlie and Meryl are next and they can help the team so much to the point to put them on podium hope Germany, France and USA all advance.

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Considering Meryl and Charlie are probably going to get 1 or 2, I'd wait until further notice.

TripleToe said:

USA - They're technically in 7th after men and pairs shorts.

U.S. Figure Skating said they're in 5 place, tied with Germany and France (the 3 countries with 10 points) but standing table show Germany in 5, France in 6 and USA in 7.

According to rules If countries tie, all advance to next competition but I'm checking the rules and I think USA didn't qualify, if this is the case how unfortunate, Jeremy had a bad day didn't help the team at all, and Marissa and Simon had a mistake It's sucks that Charlie and Meryl are next and they can help the team so much to the point to put them on podium hope Germany, France and USA all advance.

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I don't think the U.S. is out of it.

Meryl and Charlie will score at least 9, if not 10, points in the SD.

Here's how I think Ice Dance will go in worse case scenario for the U.S.:

1.) Canada
2.) USA
3.) Russia
4.) France
5.) Italy
6.) Great Britain
7.) Germany
8.) Japan
9.) China
10.) Ukraine

Standings after Ice Dance

Russia: 27
Canada: 27
USA: 19
China: 17
France: 17
Japan: 16
Italy: 16
Germany: 14
Great Britain: 8
Ukraine: 6

Here's how I think Ladies will go with a top 5 finish from Ashley Wagner.

1.) Japan
2.) Russia
3.) Italy
4.) Canada
5.) United States
6.) France
7.) China
8.) Germany
9.) Ukraine
10.) Great Britain

Standings after Ladies:

Russia:36
Canada: 34
Japan: 26
United States: 25
Italy: 24
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France: 22
China: 21
Germany: 17
Great Britain: 9
Ukraine: 8

Here's doomsday with Ashley in 7th:


1.) Japan
2.) Russia
3.) Italy
4.) Canada
5.) France
6.) China
7.) United States
8.) Germany
9.) Ukraine
10.) Great Britain

Russia: 36
Canada: 34
Japan: 26
Italy: 24
United States: 23
France: 23
China: 22
Germany: 17
Great Britain: 9
Ukraine: 8

So basically U.S. and France are in a tie breaker situation. The first tie breaker is the two highest places. Davis and White/Castelli and Shnapir have 15 points. The highest ranked French in my scenario would be Pechalat and Bourzat in 4th and either Amodio/Mettie in 5th. 7+ 6 = 13. U.S. wins tiebreaker and the 5th spot.

Now for more fun, let's consider what could happen if Russia and France switched places.

The after Ice Dance scenario:
Canada: 27
Russia: 26
USA: 19
France: 18
China: 17
Japan: 16
Italy: 16
Germany: 14
Great Britain: 8
Ukraine: 6

Then after the doomsday Ashley scenario:
Russia: 35
Canada: 34
Japan: 26
Italy: 24
France: 24
United States: 23
China: 22
Germany: 17
Great Britain: 9
Ukraine: 8

U.S. is out. if P/B beat B/S and Ashley places in 7th.

However if only the first part happens (P/B beat B/S) and Ashley manages 6th:

Russia: 35
Canada: 34
Japan: 26
Italy: 24
United States: 24
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France: 23
China: 22
Germany: 17
Great Britain: 9
Ukraine: 8

U.S. is in and France is out.

My brain hurts.

So the US isn't as doomed as we thought?!

Thanks Mrs P. for the analysis!

invisiblespiral said:

So the US isn't as doomed as we thought?!

Thanks Mrs P. for the analysis!

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I don't we are doomed, but I also hope I"m not jinxing Ashley with my doomsday scenario.

but I mean, Charlie and Meryl can't compete If team USA didn't qualify for ice dance, only 5 teams advance to next competition and team USA is in 7

TripleToe said:

but I mean, Charlie and Meryl can't compete If team USA didn't qualify for ice dance, only 5 teams advance to next competition and team USA is in 7

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Why would Meryl and Charlie be unable to compete?

Actually don't answer that. No more jinxing!

TripleToe said:

but I mean, Charlie and Meryl can't compete If team USA didn't qualify for ice dance, only 5 teams advance to next competition and team USA is in 7

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You've got it wrong. All ten teams compete in short programs in all four disciplines then the top five teams advance for the free skates. We are only halfway through the short program section of the competition. And Meryl & Charlie are likely to save the day as Mrs. P has forecasted.

louisa05 said:

You've got it wrong. All ten teams compete in short programs in all four disciplines then the top five teams advance for the free skates. We are only halfway through the short program section of the competition. And Meryl & Charlie are likely to save the day as Mrs. P has forecasted.

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And I hope Ashley.

Mrs. P said:

And I hope Ashley.

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I'm afraid of jinxing her.

louisa05 said:

You've got it wrong. All ten teams compete in short programs in all four disciplines then the top five teams advance for the free skates. We are only halfway through the short program section of the competition. And Meryl & Charlie are likely to save the day as Mrs. P has forecasted.

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Oh THANK YOU You just made my day I really thought they were kinda out since a person from AP tweeted about it.

louisa05 said:

I'm afraid of jinxing her.

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I KNOW. I should stop. Maybe I need to go do some hail Marys for her now instead.

invisiblespiral said:

So the US isn't as doomed as we thought?!

Thanks Mrs P. for the analysis!

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The only thing the US might find hard is winning gold now but really they have no problem with davis and white plus Ashley could do well inthe short. gold will be hard.

Mrs. P said:

I KNOW. I should stop. Maybe I need to go do some hail Marys for her now instead.

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Here is some anti-jinx advice:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4rigI3FkwE

Alright let's stop the thread I'm afraid of jinxing everyone let's wish them the best of luck haha

They have D/W and Ashley. So if they perform as they should. They could leapfrog a few places right?

This is all so dramatic. The US is still favoured for a bronze IMO. No need to panic.

I would be very surprised if USA doesn't make team finals, even now. They'd need another complete disaster to miss (and even then, the right teams would need to take advantage of it).

That SP by Jeremy may be the difference between a 3rd and 4th finish, though. We'll see.