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    Is Plushenko the best male skater who ever lived?

    I'm not sure what criteria (*forgive me, the pter has problems with letter "U" nless I hammer. I will fix annoying typos when I see them-the day before Olympics, the ac adapter stopped charging battery-so forgive me.) I will soldier on like the Paralympic heroes I admire.)

    And this is an admiration thread and also a question. I did not read the other Plush thread but given what he was able to do in team SP, at 31 after so many surgeries, I have to ask you all if based on body of work, medal count, nationally and internationally, longevity, is he the greatest male skater in history? Surely he has surpassed Kwan in total medals because he has gold and two OLY silvers, and also benefit of Europeans. Dick Button also has some of those. I don't know much about Skaters from the olden days. Scott Hamilton's skate is vaguely in my memory and the Brians pt international skaters on the map. I guess we can say Evgeny was costume challenged, does not have the best edges, maybe too flashy compared to the man who beat him in 2002. What was his name? seriously, this sport make cripples out of 22 year olds. I haven't google Plushy's medal count. I seem to think he does not have as many world titles as others. Our Russian members (or Seniorita) has likely memorized his record. BTW ARE YOU IN SOCHI yet Seniorita? I hope you start a thread in Olympic folder to tell us everything. Call it Everything Sochi. PLease!!!!! Practice to comp. to food, to police presence. Anyone else there from GS?

    I know some do not like his style and say he skates on flat blades, has easy transitions, is arrogant, etc. He has many detractors. I liked his SP-Team event enough to rewatch it. Only Akiko approaches his age and is skating as well with Charisma. Sadly Dai and Jeremy are past their prime. It was a bit slow, and I can't say I was closely watching as I had puter and Tv going, plus Charter wasn't accepting my password, but seeing it twice, I am so happy to see he did the quad triple. Second place means his jumps had to be mostly ratified.I have not looked up the protocols and I know the score was really inflated. Would he have surpassed Patrick whose skating skills are so vastly superior in Vancouver or elsewhere? Will Plush end up with bronze whether he earns it or not? We will see. But based on the team event, the judges are saying, I think, they will only let Hanyu beat him.

    Shall we wait til the mens event is done, or is Evgeny already the most decorated male skater in ____? There are other skaters that beat him on ice and always will. But he has won with his jumps, consistency. This is his 5th Olympics, right? Nagano to Sochi. I don't think any male has done this. Personally, I felt he was scored very generously in Vancover. Also in Salt Lake, I think he was also scored more generously than Timmy. I just did not think Plush was going to do this well.

    I wish Yagudin had gone the surgical route. I'll bet many find him the best Russian skater-all around, and I preferred his skating and his style. But Plush exceeded my , admittedly low expectations. Mentally, this man is maybe the toughest cpompetitor ever. Please weigh in and tell s where he falls amidst Btton, Salchow and historical greats. I really hope he can keep it up. It does not seem possible he cold still do 4/3 at 31. I am happy for Russia, despite the inflation.

    Those who know much more than me technically, is he the best skater ever, or the best competitor who has skated for a powerful and at times corrupted federation?

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    Nope. Best male jumper. But not best male figure skater, if you take all factors outside of jumping (of which there are many) into consideration. He'd probably be in my top 5 of all time though, thanks to his consistency, longevity, and accolades.

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    I'd say he is the best competitor ever. He brings his best to competition more often than anyone else I can think of in history. He has finished off the podium only TWICE in any competition he has finished since 1997-98, and has only WD three times. Scroll down to results here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plushenko

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    Quote Originally Posted by drivingmissdaisy View Post
    I'd say he is the best competitor ever. He brings his best to competition more often than anyone else I can think of in history. He has finished off the podium only TWICE in any competition he has finished since 1997-98, and has only WD three times. Scroll down to results here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plushenko
    Yes, I would also agree that he's the best competitor.

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    what's your definition of best, though? he's definitely the most consistent. for a sport that is notoriously rough for older skaters, the fact that he's been at the top of his game for about twelve years is an achievement in itself. most skaters win a gold and almost can't get away fast enough

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    He's one of the best, most consistent jumpers of all time. I don't think he's the best figure skater of all time, though. His footwork can be superb, his style is unique, and he acknowledges the crowd, but his spins are slow, his lines can be off, and his edging can be flat.

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    his jump technique should be studied. Someone who can do quad spanning a decade is doing something right.
    Most skaters 10 years his junior are falling left and right on quad, and he's still landing them. That is insane!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    Nope. Best male jumper. But not best male figure skater, if you take all factors outside of jumping (of which there are many) into consideration. He'd probably be in my top 5 of all time though, thanks to his consistency, longevity, and accolades.
    Yep, that's how I feel too. His longevity is amazing, since he was 1st alternate to the Olympic team in 1998!! (I still think the Russian men were robbed in 1998 with only two spots).

    Best ever jumper, sure. But his spins are no great shakes, and with the IJS his skating is sorely lacking in CH, TR. I find it difficult to watch him skate.
    We've been spoiled with Chan, Abbott, Daisuke, and now Hanyu.

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    I agree with assessment of him as the best jumper ever, but not best all around skater.

    I was blown away by the height and ice coverage of his jumps when we saw him live from the second row at a COI tour in 2006. And he may have feline DNA because he seems to always land on his feet. I don't know of any other skater who can look so tilted or messed up in the air and still pull out a clean landing almost every time. His Vancouver free skate definitely showed off that ability. But nothing else about his skating has ever impressed me, not live or on television.

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    But nothing else about his skating has ever impressed me, not live or on television.
    i've always been curious about what effect, if any, watching someone skate on tv or watching them live has on one's opinion of their quality. i was always pretty dismissive of alissa czisny's skating until i saw her live and i thought she was great. the opposite is true of lycasek - i always thought he was great until i saw him live and i was bored to tears. i've always wondered if it was just the specific performance i managed to catch or something else

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    Quote Originally Posted by louisa05 View Post
    I agree with assessment of him as the best jumper ever, but not best all around skater.

    I was blown away by the height and ice coverage of his jumps when we saw him live from the second row at a COI tour in 2006. And he may have feline DNA because he seems to always land on his feet. I don't know of any other skater who can look so tilted or messed up in the air and still pull out a clean landing almost every time. His Vancouver free skate definitely showed off that ability. But nothing else about his skating has ever impressed me, not live or on television.
    In his peak about 10 years ago, Uncle Dick kept commenting on how insanely tilted his air positions were and how amazed he was that Plush could still land them. It was very rough on the ankles. Clearly, Plush had great edges that he didn't really maximize in his footwork sequences until COP required him to. Plush's ability to land jumps is more due to sheer grit and determination. He really abused himself physically as his frequent injuries show. His technique is excellent but it could have been more refined to the point that his jumps could have hurt his body less. He is probably the best competitor ever in figure skating. He's been landing quads for nearly 2 decades after many great skaters have come and gone. He really is the Michelle Kwan of Russia, a legend.

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    as I said I don't know who is the best skater..that's really too subjective. But the greates coaches are saying these opinions:

    Vaytsekhovskaya's interview with Arutunian "Plushenko is on a new level"
    http://www.sport-express.ru/olympic1...reviews/40863/
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    EV: What do you think of him?
    RA: He is certainly no worse than he was in Vancouver or Torino. I would say it's a different quality. During the first two Olympics he was an ordinary athlete. I wouldn't call him a professional even though he won in Torino. Back then he was very consistent and could win even in a so so shape he was back then. Now it's a true professional.

    EV: Was it different I don't think he would stay in figure skating for so long
    RA: Exactly! He understands what is he doing and why. It's a rare in the sport. Though taking the current competition he might end up being far from the podium.

    EV: I personally would love to see him competing in the personal event. Though agree, it's quite a risk.
    RA: It's all about what does Pluschenko himself want. You saw how on the first day of the team event Jeremy Abbott was skating right after Pluschenko. He completely fell apart! For many skaters Pluschenko is a threat just by showing up in the competition. Perhaps it's a feeling he enjoys even more than the actual competition? If I were Pluschenko's coach I would ask him `What do you want?' and accept any decision.


    Brian Orser:http://winter.sport-express.ru/figur...reviews/28399/

    google translation:
    Plushenko - supertalant . And the fact that he is still willing and able to compete with the younger guys , is admirable . What really surprised me in Zagreb - is his refusal to quadruple jump in the short program . Because Plushenko - unbeaten fighter. After what he did at the last European Championships in Sheffield, I became a fan of his . True . Remember thinking, OK, we have to admit he is a god figure skating, if he can fight like this. It was just amazing ! I did see him in training - so calm , even relaxed . But Plushenko knows exactly how to gather, when you go to the start. I know that he really wants to perform in Sochi, and I can only wish him to fully recover and get in shape . People like it , pushing all the other forward. This concerns my students . They look at him with wide eyes . Besides Plushenko - one of those people that surrounds special aura they create around themselves a special atmosphere. And it is impossible not to notice .

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    you must be kidding !

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    How Plushenko haters even survive when he skates so long, then they start to bring all this crap about him, his marks and his skating. Probably it gives them some satisfaction for a while. But facts are all on videos and anyone these days can watch and see the reality!
    I just wish those haters at least watch Plushenko skating in HD video before they post silly posts and pretend to an experts


    I just love to see them all turning into.. ///// every time he wins medal

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    Not even close. He is one of the best competitors.

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