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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    Well, in that case, Dick Button, Ulrich Salchow, Karl Schafer and Gillis Grafstrom are arguably better than Plushenko by virtue of having more world+Olympic titles than him.
    Those ones didn't have quad jumps. Simple as that. Bring some one with quads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bestskate8 View Post
    Those ones didn't have quad jumps. Simple as that. Bring some one with quads.
    And yet again, we go back to the original argument. It's not just jumps and medals. Hence why several people, not just myself, agree that he's the best jumper and competitor and with the best consistency, with one of the best records, but not even close to being the best skater.

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    FS still is a sport! and if Plushenko has quads and Button didn't, Button couldn't be better SKATER of the SF AS A SPORT! Simple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bestskate8 View Post
    FS still is a sport! and if Plushenko has quads and Button didn't, Button couldn't be better SKATER of the SF AS A SPORT! Simple.
    So are Midori and Mao better than Yu Na, because Yu Na has never done a 3A? Bring someone with triple axels! In that case, Miki is the best female figure skater of all time since she's the only one with a ratified quad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    And yet again, we go back to the original argument. It's not just jumps and medals. Hence why several people, not just myself, agree that he's the best jumper and competitor and with the best consistency, with one of the best records, but not even close to being the best skater.
    I don't know what you are talking about, I am talking about FS as SPORT! Plushenko is well-rounded skater and for now has best record with quad jumps, so he is the best!
    If you want to talk about something else, then its a different story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    So are Midori and Mao better than Yu Na, because Yu Na has never done a 3A? Bring someone with triple axels! In that case, Miki is the best female figure skater of all time since she's the only one with a ratified quad.
    sorry, but those girls you mane don't have better record then Yu Na, it has to be both to be the best

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    Quote Originally Posted by pangtongfan View Post
    You sound almost as clueless as CSG (and boy that is hard to do, believe me). Button was decades ahead of time in jumps. He was the first to do a triple loop, one of the middle hard triples, before anyone else could do a triple jump of any kind. Only a few years before that he did the first ever double axel by a man, something only 1 or 2 other guys could do by the time he already had a triple loop. He did all that while graduating law school, acting, and pushing the sport artistically (for the time) as well.
    well, time is go, and there will be someone better the Plushenko one day, because SF is a sport. ok IMHO

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    Quote Originally Posted by bestskate8 View Post
    FS still is a sport! and if Plushenko has quads and Button didn't, Button couldn't be better SKATER of the SF AS A SPORT! Simple.
    But while Button had no quad, I'll bet a cookie he could totally pwn Plush in figures.

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    Nope but he is a rockstar Seriously , Is there a ' best ever' ?anyway when Chan gets 31 to 2022 Olys we will have a discussion again.
    He is certainly a happy one finishing his career in his home country. Off topic, Lambiel is here!!
    Last edited by seniorita; 02-12-2014 at 10:00 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    Well, in that case, Dick Button, Ulrich Salchow, Karl Schafer and Gillis Grafstrom are arguably better than Plushenko by virtue of having more world+Olympic titles than him.
    They are all LEGENDS of figure skating and it´s impossible to compare them since they skated in different eras, under different scoring systems etc. Skaters will probably have more difficult programs in the future, they could also have longer careers than Plushenko, who knows, and some of them will join the club of legends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dorispulaski View Post
    But while Button had no quad, I'll bet a cookie he could totally pwn Plush in figures.
    So could Trixi Schuba :D

    They and others are all great skaters of their time, and I never understood why people need to pick a greatest among them all. Plushenko's one of the most accomplished skaters ever, how's that for a description?

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    Screw all the youngest blahblah award!

    Plushy might hold on to the record of being the oldest man to land a quad (in combination?) in competition. The competition happens to be the Olympics, his 4th.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rollerblade View Post
    Screw all the youngest blahblah award!

    Plushy might hold on to the record of being the oldest man to land a quad (in combination?) in competition. The competition happens to be the Olympics, his 4th.
    What about the youngest AND oldest?

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    Plushenko's FP...

    That self-dedication program is ugly and disgusting...

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    Amen. And I would also add disrespectful to the sport!!! But I do give him kudos for putting his body through this again. Just wish with all the choreographers in the country of Russia that they could have possibly come up with a well-rounded program with no posturing, blowing kisses and pandering to the crowd.

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