thank you, I thought I was living in an alternate universe as I didn't hear the hate, either.
Me neither. I think they've been fair with all the skaters.
thank you, I thought I was living in an alternate universe as I didn't hear the hate, either.
You need to watch again. He didn't do any of that. He did offer some constructive criticism I thought was legit: "The axel is not her best jump; that's one thing she can work on" and then "vern' or whoever commented on her artistry and Scott said something like "She's great now- imagine how great she can be"- Scott and Sandra were extremely complimentary to Julia; and he said a Lutz I clearly thought did take off on the wrong edge was fine.Commentators from NBC prime time to live we're night and day stateside. Scott tried everything to belittle Julia. Tara and Johnny gave her nothing but respect. Scott tried to call out her lutz and then saw it on reply and had to sigh when he saw she was on the outside edge. America is at war with Oceania and has always been at war with Oceania!
It is very interesting because normally when a top 4/5 skater in the world upgrades his/her technical difficulty, like Wagner did when she added the 3flip+3toe to both her SP and LP, then PCS normally get a bump too, but not in Ashley's case. Wagner, like Kostner, is being pushed down internationally, so that the Russian teenagers can be pushed up. Standard home Olympics politicking at work here; nothing new. It will be very interesting to see what PCS Gracie Gold receives in her LP tomorrow in comparison to Lipnitskaya, especially if they both go clean.
I agree with several posters who have argued that Julia's PCS were inflated (and have been increasingly so as the season has progressed, without any visible improvements), particularly in comparison to such skaters as Carolina and Mao, who, in my opinion, are simply in another league. That said, I commend her for doing a clean skate under such immense pressure, and feel that either she or Carolina would have been justified in placing first today (based on TES and PCS advantages, respectively). She is definitely a fierce competitor!
Besides the issues with her jumps (which I will not rehash here; others have provided a detailed analysis), my two main concerns with Julia are:
1) She does not complete her movements. I found this particularly problematic today when she was doing many of her flexibility moves - She would barely get her leg in the position before it flailed down. Certainly, her flexibility is the most impressive of the field, but I don't see evidence that she has the strength to support her flexibility. Both aspects are needed to really make the moves complete (and more impressive). To draw a parallel in the dance world, lots of people can kick their foot above their head; however, very few have the strength to hold it up there. It is the latter that is more impressive and unique, indicative of a stronger overall dancer.
2) While I give kudos to her choreographers this year, who have developed programs that hide her lack of expression, musicality, audience connection, and artistry (as another poster has mentioned, after 'the look' at the start of her FS, it is all business), I fear that she will become a bit of a one-trick pony, artistically. She handles solemn, introspective programs well, which I believe relates to her personality, based on interviews I have seen. However, I don't see her being able to handle a wide range of program 'types' (e.g., a strong, passionate tango; a fun, upbeat song; a sassy, flirty piece), which I believe will be her downfall in the future.
1) She does not complete her movements. I found this particularly problematic today when she was doing many of her flexibility moves - She would barely get her leg in the position before it flailed down. Certainly, her flexibility is the most impressive of the field, but I don't see evidence that she has the strength to support her flexibility. Both aspects are needed to really make the moves complete (and more impressive). To draw a parallel in the dance world, lots of people can kick their foot above their head; however, very few have the strength to hold it up there. It is the latter that is more impressive and unique, indicative of a stronger overall dancer.
2) While I give kudos to her choreographers this year, who have developed programs that hide her lack of expression, musicality, audience connection, and artistry (as another poster has mentioned, after 'the look' at the start of her FS, it is all business), I fear that she will become a bit of a one-trick pony, artistically. She handles solemn, introspective programs well, which I believe relates to her personality, based on interviews I have seen. However, I don't see her being able to handle a wide range of program 'types' (e.g., a strong, passionate tango; a fun, upbeat song; a sassy, flirty piece), which I believe will be her downfall in the future.
Ukraine judges can basically be considered another Russian judge at this point.
You know what guys, the media who saw Julia live has been praising her big time. Nancy Aramour hardly a Russian bias, praised her jumps that they are taking of at high speed, and even a bit their height. Julia's jumps aren't as big as Kim's but she's also quite a bit smaller.... And Julia's speed. She didn't seem to think Julia was a jumper only.
I probably would have given it to Kostner or at least higher pcs to Kostner, but I think people are being unfair to Julia.
If it was so easy to win the Olympics at 15, how many actually do it. Some have but not many. By all accounts a big part of Julia's success is that she is an incredibly hard worker. You can see the improvements she's made. Comparing her to a wind up doll is unfair.
And I think she's developing into a beautiful skater.
Doesn't eastern Ukraine love everything to do with Russia and hate Ukrainian nationalism of any kind, though?Ukraine would find that offensive though
Way too much overreaction in this thread and I doubt people are overreacting because they fear for the future of the sport (Julia is a hit with casual viewers). They just don't like the fact that Julia seems to be a bigger threat in the individual event than previously anticipated.
I agree with several posters who have argued that Julia's PCS were inflated (and have been increasingly so as the season has progressed, without any visible improvements), particularly in comparison to such skaters as Carolina and Mao, who, in my opinion, are simply in another league. That said, I commend her for doing a clean skate under such immense pressure, and feel that either she or Carolina would have been justified in placing first today (based on TES and PCS advantages, respectively). She is definitely a fierce competitor!
Besides the issues with her jumps (which I will not rehash here; others have provided a detailed analysis), my two main concerns with Julia are:
1) She does not complete her movements. I found this particularly problematic today when she was doing many of her flexibility moves - She would barely get her leg in the position before it flailed down. Certainly, her flexibility is the most impressive of the field, but I don't see evidence that she has the strength to support her flexibility. Both aspects are needed to really make the moves complete (and more impressive). To draw a parallel in the dance world, lots of people can kick their foot above their head; however, very few have the strength to hold it up there. It is the latter that is more impressive and unique, indicative of a stronger overall dancer.
2) While I give kudos to her choreographers this year, who have developed programs that hide her lack of expression, musicality, audience connection, and artistry (as another poster has mentioned, after 'the look' at the start of her FS, it is all business), I fear that she will become a bit of a one-trick pony, artistically. She handles solemn, introspective programs well, which I believe relates to her personality, based on interviews I have seen. However, I don't see her being able to handle a wide range of program 'types' (e.g., a strong, passionate tango; a fun, upbeat song; a sassy, flirty piece), which I believe will be her downfall in the future.
Julia's SS is such a slap to all skaters in history.
She got 8.43 , Mao got 8.54, Carolina got 8.64.
How long did it take for Mao, Caro, and Yuna to get that kind of SS? Kim got 8.38 at last year World. It took Mao a decade to get this kind of SS. It took Carolina 15 years to get this kind of SS, and she's the undisputed SS queen.
I'm confused by people criticizing Julia's 2A :think: Someone even called it a "hot mess"? I see a jump that had next to no preparation, clean rotation, smooth landing with good speed coming out. Where's the "mess"? I didn't realize height was the be all and end all of jump quality.
what do you mean one trick pony all on sad introverted music ?
she has skated to Sabre Dance, Carmen, Kung Fu Panda
Wagner didnt up her content
her 3-3 are twofooted, cheated or UR
and to make matters worst he hant kated a clean LP
and she placed 4th at nationals with Gracie as the new champ
of course her PCS will drop !
Julia's SS is such a slap to all skaters in history.
She got 8.43 , Mao got 8.54, Carolina got 8.64.
How long did it take for Mao, Caro, and Yuna to get that kind of SS? Kim got 8.38 at last year World. It took Mao a decade to get this kind of SS. It took Carolina 15 years to get this kind of SS, and she's the undisputed SS queen.
SS is the new presentation mark. And all other components move with SS, so you can manipulate anyone's score anyway you want. This sport is dead!
Upping your content has nothing to do with cleanness of the content. And Gracie hasn't skated a clean FS all year either, she never has, Wagner came close a few times this year and did a few times last year.