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    Russian (Supposed) inflations and their Olympic consequences

    I know i'm a big fan of a bunch of Russian skaters, But i do want to get a focused debate going on this, Before the heavy competition starts:

    -Did the Russian skaters benefit a bit too much in PCS?
    -Did the crowd influence the judges a bit too much?
    -Did the judges penalize a little less for Russian skaters who made borderline mistakes and so so executions ?
    -Have non Russian skaters who are threatening Russian ones been over scrutinized ?


    Possible examples so far:
    -P\B of France having the biggest technical base mark of the night, But losing to B\S of Russia on PCS and GOE, a placing which cost France it's 5th place in the finals.
    -Plushenko having a good clean skate, with high 8's for PCS placing him over Chan of Canada with a flawed skate, Which wouldn't of happened with a couple less points for said PCS.
    -Osmond of Canada (Russia's main rival) going clean but finishing 5th with low 7's for PCS.
    -D\R of Canada getting high 7's for PCS for a very risky and inventive SP, while Russian mega favorites V\T getting high 9's.
    -Lipnitskaya of Russia getting + 1.40 for her Lutz combo, Which in every other competition this year got -1's because of it's takeoff, Thus finishing ahead of Clean Kostner.
    -Plushenko getting +GOE for his wonky triple axle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eladola View Post
    I know i'm a big fan of a bunch of Russian skaters, But i do want to get a focused debate going on this, Before the heavy competition starts:

    -Did the Russian skaters benefit a bit too much in PCS?
    -Did the crowd influence the judges a bit too much?
    -Did the judges penalize a little less for Russian skaters who made borderline mistakes and so so executions ?
    -Have non Russian skaters who are threatening Russian ones been over scrutinized ?


    Possible examples so far:
    -P\B of France having the biggest technical base mark of the night, But losing to B\S of Russia on PCS and GOE, a placing which cost France it's 5th place in the finals.
    -Plushenko having a good clean skate, with high 8's for PCS placing him over Chan of Canada with a flawed skate, Which wouldn't of happened with a couple less points for said PCS.
    -Osmond of Canada (Russia's main rival) going clean but finishing 5th with low 7's for PCS.
    -D\R of Canada getting high 7's for PCS for a very risky and inventive SP, while Russian mega favorites V\T getting high 9's.
    -Lipnitskaya of Russia getting + 1.40 for her Lutz combo, Which in every other competition this year got -1's because of it's takeoff, Thus finishing ahead of Clean Kostner.
    -Plushenko getting +GOE for his wonky triple axle.
    boo hoo, Canada is robbed of the gold
    Russia is evil and dont deserve any medals

    FYI, about your scrutinez joke
    Plushenko SP he only got didnt got all 8 in component yet still would have him enough to beat Chan's mess of a SP
    Carolina ha never beaten Julia in a SP this season, as clean skates continue the PCS will rise, that is a fact
    and lol, D/R innovation ? it has nothing to do with PCS !!!

    also to remind you, D/R have terrible skating skills, atrocious form, Duhamel is build like a truck driver thus her lines in the air are ugly
    they deserve PCS in 6 and 7, thats a joke if you compare them to V/T

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    Quote Originally Posted by sky_fly20 View Post
    boo hoo, Canada is robbed of the gold
    Russia is evil and dont deserve any medals

    FYI, about your scrutinez joke
    Plushenko SP he only got didnt got all 8 in component yet still would have him enough to beat Chan's mess of a SP
    Carolina ha never beaten Julia in a SP this season, as clean skates continue the PCS will rise, that is a fact
    and lol, D/R innovation ? it has nothing to do with PCS !!!

    also to remind you, D/R have terrible skating skills, atrocious form, Duhamel is build like a truck driver thus her lines in the air are ugly
    they deserve PCS in 6 and 7, thats a joke if you compare them to V/T
    1) I'm rooting for team Russia to win
    2) I love all skaters, so i wanted to hear opinion about this
    3) Can complete Douches please ignore this thread and go hassle someone else ? (You're welcomed if you're just a half douche though)

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    Don't forget Julia got away with an obvious flutz

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melon View Post
    Don't forget Julia got away with an obvious flutz
    I didn't

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melon View Post
    Don't forget Julia got away with an obvious flutz
    Her flutz is not that bad.

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    But a flutz is a flutz. Flutz deserves -GOE not +1.4

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    I know i'm losing "Fan skin" over this post But honestly, Even without a flutz her combo shouldn't get +1.4, The jumps are way too low

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    As a comparison:
    Julia Lipnitskaya: 3Lz3T, clear incorrect Flutz takeoff, GOE +1.40
    Nathalie Weinzierl: 3Lz, clear correct Lutz takeoff, nice preceding steps, clean landing, GOE 0.00
    Kexin Zhang: 3Lz, clear Lutz takeoff, very high, clean landing, GOE -0.60
    Since Vanessa Gusmeroli used to have a real Lutz with a real Lz takeoff, I was hoping she'd take her job as a technical specialist more seriously. Oh well, I guess she doesn't want her Olympic (Judge) Experience diminished by some crazy Russian fans harassing and threatening her for having called that e on the Lz... Probably the right decision for her?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sky_fly20 View Post
    boo hoo, Canada is robbed of the gold
    Russia is evil and dont deserve any medals

    FYI, about your scrutinez joke
    Plushenko SP he only got didnt got all 8 in component yet still would have him enough to beat Chan's mess of a SP
    Carolina ha never beaten Julia in a SP this season, as clean skates continue the PCS will rise, that is a fact
    and lol, D/R innovation ? it has nothing to do with PCS !!!

    also to remind you, D/R have terrible skating skills, atrocious form, Duhamel is build like a truck driver thus her lines in the air are ugly
    they deserve PCS in 6 and 7, thats a joke if you compare them to V/T
    firstly, FYI no one speak there that Russians don't deserve medals or are devilish so chill (but I don't think it's possible in your case...)

    secondly - why do you can say about "supremacy" Bobrova/Soloviev SD over Nathalie/Fabian SD? There is no way to noexistent lines and that "posture" of Ekaterina are better than sophistication and style of Frech SD and this is not only my point...Especially she is for me one kind of a mess - starting from her hairdo, make-up, style on ice and finish to her poor, poor lines, non-extended positions, arms, legs etc. and that "posture", but they are forcely pushed to that third place and this will be repeated in individual event probably...

    Why? Because you have a kind of special mission in my opinion to prove everyone that Canadians are devils-born (in Scott Moir in the lead of course) and don't deserve not only any medals but even an attention to watch...But hey, it's you so no one here should be suprised, enjoy the ride and continue developing your skill

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    The skating while Russian bonus has been blatant so far. It's really diminished my excitement about watching the rest of the skating competitions. This has got to be one of the ugliest examples of home-cooked scoring I've ever seen and it's on the sport's biggest stage. I think there will be no consequences in the larger sense, though if I was a skater and had a close Russian rival I'd take a look at the scoring so far and throw up my hands.

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    Gold for Hughes??? 5,6 for Slutskaya's artistry))) Scandalous second gold for Canadians...

    Vancouver

    Scandalous scores for Chan, Dube/Davidson, bronze for Rochette... Gold for safe Evan with no quad?

    It happens every time.

    What you guys are saying is double standards. You're ok with winnings of those who are immature, young but North Americans (Lipinski, Hughes, Gold) or mature but not good enough in TES as long as they're North Americans (Evan, Rochette...).

    All the underrotations and falls will not be counted for Russians and will be for others. Face it! Nobody's going to rob those who truly deserve it. If they don't fall. Men: Hanyu or Chan, Women: Mao or Yu-Na. Pairs: VT or SS. Ice dance: VM or DW.

    VT will win if they don't make major mistakes. What's wrong with that? BS or IK will get the bronze if they are 100% clean. Julia and Adelina will medal if they're clean, can win if Mao and Yu-Na make mistakes.

    What's wrong with that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frenchie View Post
    As a comparison:
    Julia Lipnitskaya: 3Lz3T, clear incorrect Flutz takeoff, GOE +1.40
    Nathalie Weinzierl: 3Lz, clear correct Lutz takeoff, nice preceding steps, clean landing, GOE 0.00
    Kexin Zhang: 3Lz, clear Lutz takeoff, very high, clean landing, GOE -0.60
    Good point. ... I should have joined here earlier.

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    A lot of the other skaters scores looked pretty low too. The UR call on Ashleys combo was right, but giving her -2's for that combo? Way too harsh. Besides not getting dinged for the Flutz, Julia beat Kaetlyn in PCS by 5 points. That is so wrong, it's nearly pain inducing. She also pretty much tied Mao in PCS, and if you add the 7 points Mao lost for her 3A (she scored 1.8 for the jump), she'd still be behind Julia! (yes I know, PCS and GOE are there too, but the difference would be so minmal....).
    B/S are the more annoying case though, they should have never been that close to V/M and D/W and I don't even think they should have beat P/B.

    It's no use crying foul before the damage is done, but this does leave me with a bad feeling for the individual events.

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