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    Quote Originally Posted by aftertherain View Post
    LOL. Plushenko's been getting funny PCS for years at this point. By "all 8s," I assume that you mean that his total averaged PCS score? I suggest you look at all of the judges' scores for PCS: they range from 6s to 9s. But this isn't a new phenomenon, like I said, it's been happening for years. I think judges just don't know how to give him PCS, period.

    So I don't necessarily think that Plushenko's scores are "reflective" of a judging scandal. It's more like a "Plushenko-is-a-legend-but-he's-not-in-the-form-he-used-to-be-in" inflation.
    I pretty much agree. It's just that it's gotten ridiculous. I'm not exactly scandal prone, but when Pluschenko gets the scores he did in the team free, you have to wonder. Personally, I lean more to the theory that since the team event is new, they decided to gift Plushy (and the hosts) for past performances and then get down to business in the individual events. The Plush story is being sold with everything they've got. Hamilton and Bezic RAVED about his free like it was the second coming, but then, interestingly, did not show the program in prime time that supposedly blew everybody away. That tells me everything I need to know. Not that seeing the actual program left me with any doubt.

    The only thing I am left with is that they will get real from here on out. If not, figure skating has truly become the circus many people (not me) have accused it of being for years. In my opinion, Chan as at least two falls over Plushy and the Japanese men have one, maybe two falls. Takahashi has two falls. We'll see how it plays out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frenchie View Post
    Their slogan should be something like:

    ISU - yeah, well, what are you gonna do about it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frenchie View Post
    He is considered the most likely to be the successor of Cinquanta as future President of the ISU.

    So to sum it up, I'd say the ISU has a very pragmatic approach to scandals and controversies: "sit and wait, there's nothing they can do anyway". They awarded Salé/Pelletier with additional Gold Medals due to being pressured by the IOC. The ISU would have been fine with doing nothing. Their slogan should be something like:

    ISU - yeah, well, what are you gonna do about it?
    Oh, don't let this be true: Gaillhaguet leading the ISU. What a farce.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frenchie View Post
    I hate to have to refer to SLC 2002 again, as this just makes my French half very ashamed, but... SLC 2002!
    Even when there was a real scandal with people found guilty (that wouldn't be possible that clearly today), "Both Le Gougne and Gailhaguet were eventually suspended from the sport for three years by the International Skating Union, which never made any serious investigation into the events." ... and then things came back to what they were before: Didier Gailhaguet resigned as president of the French Ice Sports Federation on 12 May 2004 (he wasn't even fired!), but was re-elected to that position in December 2007. He is considered the most likely to be the successor of Cinquanta as future President of the ISU.

    So to sum it up, I'd say the ISU has a very pragmatic approach to scandals and controversies: "sit and wait, there's nothing they can do anyway". They awarded Salé/Pelletier with additional Gold Medals due to being pressured by the IOC. The ISU would have been fine with doing nothing. Their slogan should be something like:

    ISU - yeah, well, what are you gonna do about it?
    Hee, brilliant! And also, I didn't know he got elected AGAIN after the scandal. Seriously? And nothing's to be done about it? SERIOUSLY?

    Ugh, you know what? If they think they can battle the collective force of Japanese and Korean fans (their fanwars have actually a history of breaking the Internet, if I remember correctly) even knowing how Mao and Yuna are respected and adored in their respective country, then they may be for a rude awakening. I can even see the heads of the country getting involved, given how popular they are. Putin isn't the only one who's invested in figure skating.

    Actually, I almost want to see it. Sigh.

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    ^That would be AMAZING to see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarneAsada View Post
    It's already starting to happen. Look at all the Yuna and Mao fans already laying into Julia with all they've got.
    Which is silly since none of Julia's scores have indicated she will be even close to a clean Kim, and in fact show Kim has a mistakes margin of sorts; and a clean Asada with her 3axels will obviously score higher too based on all her scores this season. Just more baseless Russian bashing is all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pangtongfan View Post
    Which is silly since none of Julia's scores have indicated she will be even close to a clean Kim, and in fact show Kim has a mistakes margin of sorts; and a clean Asada with her 3axels will obviously score higher too based on all her scores this season. Just more baseless Russian bashing is all.
    But she is already in front of clean Kostner which I doubt would happen if the Olympic is not in Russia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vegarin View Post
    Oh lord. I can't even imagine how the Koreans would react if they actually shaft Yuna's score in obvious ways somehow and impede her chance of winning her second gold. Can you imagine what would happen if they both go clean and Julia wins by a tiny margin granted by higher PCS scores? What if they clearly and obviously shaft both Yuna and Mao? Both Yuna and Mao fans will unite (that will be a sight to see, actually) for a take down. That will break the Internet.
    Well, it wasn't Julia, but Adelina... Adelina wasn't even completely clean... And she didn't win the PCS... Yu-Na beat her in PCS by a whopping 0.09 points!!!
    I'm really curious if the Internet will break.
    Quote Originally Posted by Frenchie View Post
    I hate to have to refer to SLC 2002 again, as this just makes my French half very ashamed, but... SLC 2002!
    Even when there was a real scandal with people found guilty (that wouldn't be possible that clearly today), "Both Le Gougne and Gailhaguet were eventually suspended from the sport for three years by the International Skating Union, which never made any serious investigation into the events." ... and then things came back to what they were before: Didier Gailhaguet resigned as president of the French Ice Sports Federation on 12 May 2004 (he wasn't even fired!), but was re-elected to that position in December 2007. He is considered the most likely to be the successor of Cinquanta as future President of the ISU.

    So to sum it up, I'd say the ISU has a very pragmatic approach to scandals and controversies: "sit and wait, there's nothing they can do anyway". They awarded Salé/Pelletier with additional Gold Medals due to being pressured by the IOC. The ISU would have been fine with doing nothing. Their slogan should be something like:

    ISU - yeah, well, what are you gonna do about it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frenchie View Post
    Well, it wasn't Julia, but Adelina... Adelina wasn't even completely clean... And she didn't win the PCS... Yu-Na beat her in PCS by a whopping 0.09 points!!!
    I'm really curious if the Internet will break.
    God, I know I said it, but never in million years did I think this would actually HAPPEN. I TAKE IT BACK. PLEASE. I DIDN'T MEAN IT.

    Hindsight is 20/20.

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    Adelina is a very unpolished, or as Dick Button is saying, not a "complete" skater. She deserved bronze. I actually adore her, but this wasn't a convincing win. I'd love to argue for her gold, but I really can't. (And I'd have Carolina in first.)

    BUT. . . I agree with others who raise Sarah Hughes here as a comparison. She wasn't in the same category with Irina and Michelle in presentation, but the judges went with the clean skate, and the home skater with the crowd behind her. What's disappointing is that was 2002 -- the year of the pairs scandal -- and nothing has really changed, after all. Only now the judges are anonymous, so there's less accountability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fadeevfan View Post
    Adelina is a very unpolished, or as Dick Button is saying, not a "complete" skater. She deserved bronze. I actually adore her, but this wasn't a convincing win. I'd love to argue for her gold, but I really can't. (And I'd have Carolina in first.)

    BUT. . . I agree with others who raise Sarah Hughes here as a comparison. She wasn't in the same category with Irina and Michelle in presentation, but the judges went with the clean skate, and the home skater with the crowd behind her. What's disappointing is that was 2002 -- the year of the pairs scandal -- and nothing has really changed, after all. Only now the judges are anonymous, so there's less accountability.
    I don't get your take on "clean skates"

    Kostner, Kim and Asada all skated clean and amazing with better programs, PCS and pedigree (Well, maybe not on Russian ground )
    How does this compare to kwan falling, Slutskaya apparently being sloppy, And
    Hughes who was already then a Worlds bronze medalist and have beaten the two in a GP event that year
    beating them on the free with two 3-3 ?

    And wasn't michelle at home too ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fadeevfan View Post
    I agree with others who raise Sarah Hughes here as a comparison. She wasn't in the same category with Irina and Michelle in presentation, but the judges went with the clean skate, and the home skater with the crowd behind her. What's disappointing is that was 2002 -- the year of the pairs scandal -- and nothing has really changed, after all.
    The difference is that now you can't win only by being the cleanest. You have to do a lot of things well and accrue more points than the others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drivingmissdaisy View Post
    The difference is that now you can't win only by being the cleanest. You have to do a lot of things well and accrue more points than the others.
    And those points and GOEs are given by a group of judges.

    Here is the list of the judges:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/21/sp...id=tw-sochinyt

    Tell me it doesn't look odd to you, that it doesn't look like something funny is going on.

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    Well they did get killed in hockey where it is hard to fudge points...

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    What I'm afraid of is the trend of super hyper inflation will continue for other host, So Yon Park and Hajin might be podium contender in 2018.

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