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    Post Mortem on the Team Event

    Will it be retained in the Olympics? Will there be a yearly Team Event competition?

    I've got to say I enjoyed it, and I found that my non skate fan friends seemed to like it more than the individual events. If I were ever going to the Olympics, it's the Team event I'd like to attend, because you get to see a nice mix of familiar and less known skaters.

    However, if it is retained, I wonder what changes we'll see in team event strategy?
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    I really enjoyed the team skating event too!!! (I'm all about more skating events to watch.) And I think like you said, it was a cool competition where we were able to see many different types of skating in a short period, so it was almost like an exhibition. Plus, I love the added element of each skater/pair needing to do their best, not just for themselves but for the team.

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    I enjoyed it, but I hate the fact that it's only between 3 teams for medals. The fact that none of Ukraine, Japan, or China's ice dance teams made the free dance goes to show how meaningless it is for those countries weak in a particular discipline or two to even compete. Seems like simply a way for US/Canada/Russia to nab more medals and for lesser skaters in those countries to reap the success of their stronger compatriots. Moreover, the standings get very very predictable, particularly when the final is only 5 in each flight, so there's less opportunity to make up ground on a team you're trailing behind if you had a bad discipline in the 1st round (as we saw with Japan).

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    I enjoyed it, but I hate the fact that it's only between 3 teams for medals. The fact that none of Ukraine, Japan, or China's ice dance teams made the free dance goes to show how meaningless it is for those countries weak in a particular discipline or two to even compete. Seems like simply a way for US/Canada/Russia to nab more medals and for lesser skaters in those countries to reap the success of their stronger compatriots. Moreover, the standings get very very predictable, particularly when the final is only 5 in each flight, so there's less opportunity to make up ground on a team you're trailing behind if you had a bad discipline in the 1st round (as we saw with Japan).
    Valid points! I think that some revising does need to be done to how they approach the team even if they keep it....because like you said, it's not fair that their strongest skaters didn't even have a chance to help build points for their countries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    I enjoyed it, but I hate the fact that it's only between 3 teams for medals. The fact that none of Ukraine, Japan, or China's ice dance teams made the free dance goes to show how meaningless it is for those countries weak in a particular discipline or two to even compete. Seems like simply a way for US/Canada/Russia to nab more medals and for lesser skaters in those countries to reap the success of their stronger compatriots. Moreover, the standings get very very predictable, particularly when the final is only 5 in each flight, so there's less opportunity to make up ground on a team you're trailing behind if you had a bad discipline in the 1st round (as we saw with Japan).
    Such a good point. Yeah I enjoyed but is it because of purely self fulfilling reasons. I don't think I can honestly or fairly answer this thread. I did find the whole thing fun to watch and it had me watching Ice Dance and Pairs which I usually don't other than the top pairs and sometimes never. In that aspect it grew the sport for me and helped me find new skaters to enjoy with Capellini/Lanotte being standouts. I hope it continues but I can't find anything to change that makes any sense or improves the competition.

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    I liked it and wouldn't mind if they put it in at Worlds too, however, they probably won't because they have WTT. I think maybe they should limit it to the top 5 teams going in though because it was obvious that some of the lower-ranked teams didn't have a chance, and their skaters were just wasting their energy (Great Britain comes to mind, although it did give Matthew Parr, whom I enjoyed, a chance to compete).

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    I think it's a plus for casual viewers, but I don't know if it really belongs as a separate Olympic event. The top competitors have to maintain their focus for a longer duration, and also divide their energy between the team and the individual. Skaters also end up performing the same programs twice, which for me kind of diminishes the gravity of an 'Olympic performance.' The fact that the entries are so ambiguous/determined last minute by the federation makes it lose a bit credibility as well. The Russians really brought it here, but in the future the winner might not be the team that collectively skates the best; it'll be the country that is most willing to sacrifice their top skaters and work them the hardest.

    I agree with a lot of points in this article from the Washington Post: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/o...be-eliminated/

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    It was great! People loved the event. Some of the skating purists like Dick Button want it gone but the fact is that the sport needs change and the team event brought about this. Yes, the IJS still applies but since there is less skaters, there can be more cushioning between skater's scores AND it's all about the ranking points- that was something that so many people understood.

    In saying that, they do need to change the weighting of the points between the SD/SP and the FD/FS because, we knew with three segments to go who the medalists were.

    So in the SP/SD keep the 1st=10pt, 2nd=9pts etc.
    and in the FS/FD have 1st=10pts, 2nd=8pts, 3rd=6pts, 4th=4pts etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dorispulaski View Post
    Will it be retained in the Olympics? Will there be a yearly Team Event competition?

    I've got to say I enjoyed it, and I found that my non skate fan friends seemed to like it more the individual events. If I were ever going to the Olympics, it's the Team event I'd like to attend, because you get to see a nice mix of familiar and less known skaters.

    However, if it is retained, I wonder what changes we'll see in team event strategy?
    FWIW, World Team Trophy 2015 already is on the ISU schedule.

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    Russians liked it because they won another gold medal.

    Canadians liked it because they won another silver medal.

    Americans liked it because they won a medal in something besides D/W.

    Everyone else probably thought it was boring and pointless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ven View Post
    Russians liked it because they won another gold medal.

    Canadians liked it because they won another silver medal.

    Americans liked it because they won a medal in something besides D/W.

    Everyone else probably thought it was boring and pointless.
    I'm sure Japanese think, they need to develop their pairs and dances. And they will.

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    scrap it,
    or at least do it every alternative in every other Olympic years

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    Either double the value of points in the free skate or don't cut down the field to five in the free programs. Or both!

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    I posted earlier that the real big problem with the team event is all the low-level skaters getting olympic medals.

    Some argued that players of all different abilities earn medals in team sports. But figure skating is not a team sport where all the competitors compete at the same time as their teammates. It's an individual sport with individual scores added up. It's not the same thing.

    Some argued that it's the same as swimming relays in Summer Olympics. But it's not the same either, as the relay racers have to finish in the top of their heat to advance. You can't finish 8th out of 10 in your heat and the team still advance to win a medal. But in team figure skating, you can finish dead last, and still win a medal. It's not the same.

    That's the real problem with this competition, there are a lot of skaters now who are mediocre and not deserving of Olympic medals, but the federations have basically manufactured one for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by draqq View Post
    Either double the value of points in the free skate or don't cut down the field to five in the free programs. Or both!
    +1

    Put it AFTER the individual events. If it may be a less-pressure way to "break the ice" (no pun intended) for someone, it may as well be risky: ask Stefania Berton, who got injured.
    Yes, lower ranked teams don't stand a chance (so, maybe, they can just relax and enjoy the thing), but whenever somebody can play spoiler, they usually get hosed (a trend that started with last year WTT): Coomes&Buckland, Japanese singles in the final.

    WTT is just more fun in my opinion, and I'd like countries to choose TWO entries for two categories and one for the others, to play their strenghts: Japan would choose 2 men, 2 ladies, 1 pair 1 dance team, USA 2 ladies, 2 dance teams, 1 pair 1 man, and so on. A bit chaotic, but more strategic. I'd have only the FP/FD to skate, just to keep it less superabundant.

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