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I've often asked what if you satisfy all bullets and get an edge call? Do they award +3 then the edge deduction or wash the +3 and only ding for edge call. All people ever give me are links to different rule books which all have loopholes. I just watch the girls and only focus on obvious mistakes. Being a judge is too taxing and very unclear.
In this ISU communication http://www.usfsa.org/content/ISU 1724 S&P SOV_GOE_Levels of difficulties 2012-2013.pdf it says for GOE, first the positives are to be considered then the negative taken away from that one, not from the baseline. For example, if Yuna had a edge call: Her GOE was going to be 3s and maybe a couple of 2s from stingier judges. Then, according to the rules for negative GOE (see page 12) -1 to -2 would be taken away. For unclear edges the final GOE is not required to be negative. For Yuna, I would assume that if she had an edge call, it would be so slight as to be nearly unnoticeable. In that case only -1 needs to be added to her +GOE. Therefore, she would get 2s and then 1's from the stingier judges. The same applies to Julia and every other skater, if the judges were going to give 0 originally, it would be -1. If they were originally going to give 1s and 2s then GOE would be 0s and 1s. If the edge was wrong the whole time an didn't merely switch over, that's a severe wrong edge take-off. Final GOE is required to be negative.
Since people are suddenly talking about whatever she supposedly said about her Lutz being correct. People who are desperate to find something more to criticize Julia for. It's hard to make sense of what she's saying and be 100% accurate because when you look at another language, even one as close to English as French, you can't just translate each individual word in the order that they appear. When you say one sentence in English and the other in French the order of the words changes even for simple sentences. When you get more complex sentences it gets even more complicated. Especially since every language has words or ideas phrased in such a way that they do not translate directly. For a language so much more different than our own, you cannot rely on individually translated words. You need someone who understands both languages to the point where they don't translate the words but instead hear what she says and then can sum up her meaning in English.
(This must be from an earlier competition? Europeans, Grand Prix Final?) From this poor translation I hear that when she was asked about what her coach said, and replied: Again this lutz? Yes it is! her actual response was more saying that the Lutz is a continuing problem for her and an exclamation that urgh, I'm being asked about again. For someone focused on always skating to her full ability it must be a thorn in her side. That's because when you look at the rest she says that when she was younger and still trying to master the jump she did it over and over until it became automatic. Unfortunately with an edge change. Now that she has the jump, they are working on correcting it. She goes on to say that in her coach's group of students they all need to retrain the edge and that they even have time that they solely devote to trying to take-off on the outside edge. She joke(s), I'm not a 100% sure about this, that the time is called outside edge jump classes. Regarding the part I bolded below, she is still talking about those who also train with Eteri, not about other skaters in general. She goes on to say that her Lutz is at the point where she still takes off from an inside edge, in extreme cases the take-off comes off the flat of the blade, and sometimes takes-off from an outside edge.
She's had a few cases where she didn't have an edge change. At SC for example, the one in the SP was ruled clean, and then in the FS, one clean the other wasn't. So sometimes she does, sometimes she doesn't. The thing is it's borderline, so each time the technical panel has to review and decide which they will rule. She has done 6 competition this season, with three Lutz per competition. Out of 16(I'm am not counting the one she fell on, or the one she doubled because the GOE was already where it would have with an edge call so it didn't matter) she has been considered clean on 5 of them. So she is definitely working on it.
When I went to Julia, she did not know what she lowered the scores and that the case in Lutz.
- Julia, your coach, Eter Tutberidze thinks your lutz judges evaluated as incorrect.
- Again this lutz? Yes it is! You know, when I was little, I double lutz still so Zouch ... When I started to jump over the edge did not attend. And here I am doing with this approach lutz - not straight, it was a diagonal ... And about ten minutes I had time to do a hundred jumping around and around, and all Lutz, Lutz, Lutz, and all with internal ribs ... Because I already brought the jump to automatism, finally retrain me on the other edge was very difficult. We have a group Etery Tutberidze, however, all retrain. In fact, Lutz clearly from an outside edge jump units! And even now, I do not know any - who have played it perfectly right. But! Because Lutz I have is at the stage I still shift on an outside edge, in extreme cases, may be repulsion occurs with two edges, not only from the internal, that's for sure!
- But you have in any case the highest technical score, therefore, decided something and components?
- Not so much they decided. Wheels less points! A components, among other things, earned even in training judges watched in training is not for everyone - and so selectively ... I'm in Budapest in training for some reason did everything badly. I was approached by friends and sympathetically asked, "Julia, what's wrong?".