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    Unrelated to MK, but I found this part of the article interesting.


    Evgeni Plushenko won the men's title Thursday in a program that featured two quadruple jumps, including one in a three-jump combination. The Russian also completed a unique combination -- triple axel-half loop-triple flip -- a first at a major competition.

    I didn't realize that he had done that combination, or that it was a major thing. Hmmmm

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    Thanks Graceful...

    For posting the link. Very interesting. Since we don't know which judges gave what scores and which judges counted, I wonder if the .1 penalty, if removed, would change any placements.

    LOL Kara, I've listened to / read SO many reports on the men's long at this point that I can't even remember where I heard this. But I think that "new combination" may have been a slick recovery (and good for Plush if it was...). I think he had a 3A+something else combo planned, and may have landed a bit off and did this instead. I may be WAY wrong here, so please understand I am not trying to start any rumors. Just wondering if anyone else recalls hearing/seeing that.

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    no, don't think it was by chance really as he did this sequence before at the 2002 olympics... and very well. he did it another time afterwards and before this worlds performance i think.

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    He does a lot of combinations with a half loop in the middle, however upon seeing his performance, I too thought that it was a recovery of some sort just b/c he seemed kind of unsteady out of the axel to do a jump right after it so he improvised.

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    Chris and Simon have just been discussing the situation with Michelle Kwan. Chris was quite emphatic that if indeed Michelle's music was too long someone should have picked up on it before she ever got to the SP because all the practices are timed.
    It would surprise me if that was indeed the reason she was scored so low, also has she cahnged her music in any way from last years Worlds? If not, how was this not an issue then, or at US Nationals for that matter?

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    At the GPF in Co. Spr., the scores of the last and next to last dancers were accidentally reversed. Once those scores are shown, they canNOT be changed. Period. That's what they said.

    So, why is the USFS bothering to protest Kwan's music length?

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    errr Maybe because they feel it was unfair. Maybe they want the judges to know that, although they are anonymous, there are still people who will fight for fairness. The protesters might want to send the message,- We might not be able to hold individual judges accountable. We can still hold the entire judging panel collectively responsible in the media

    Who are on the panel anyway? Surely, they can't keep that anonymous.

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    I can see how this could happen..

    with this music cut. The music is so soft at the end you can't even hear it once the crowd gets going. That probably means Michelle can't hear it either. I'm sure the cut is timed right, but I can also see how easy it would be to go two seconds over the time limit (I assume the music cuts it close to begin with) if you can't hear it.

    Just a thought..

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    The program is timed from when the skater begins moving until they stop. This rule is from USFSA but I would imagine is probably applicable to ISU

    "Timing of a skater’s program always commences when the skater first begins to move or skate, which is not always at the same time as the music starts (SSR 15.06). Timing continues until skater comes to a complete stop at the end of the program."

    This is why you could have music that is actually longer than the time limit. If the music begins and you don't immediately begin skating, (as many skaters do, choosing to hold a pose or whatever), you could have a few extra seconds of music. If Michelle couldn't hear her music at the end, it would be easy for her to get off. The referee is timing it from her first movement and blows a whistle at the end of the allotted time. If the skater is still skating, they are over. So it's quite possible that even with perfectly cut music, Michelle could have gone over time.

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    That part about Plushy's 3 axel-half loop-triple flip is nonsense, cause he landed it in his LP in SLC for the first time.

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    Originally posted by SK8GR8
    The program is timed from when the skater begins moving until they stop. This rule is from USFSA but I would imagine is probably applicable to ISU

    "Timing of a skater’s program always commences when the skater first begins to move or skate, which is not always at the same time as the music starts (SSR 15.06). Timing continues until skater comes to a complete stop at the end of the program."

    This is why you could have music that is actually longer than the time limit. If the music begins and you don't immediately begin skating, (as many skaters do, choosing to hold a pose or whatever), you could have a few extra seconds of music. If Michelle couldn't hear her music at the end, it would be easy for her to get off. The referee is timing it from her first movement and blows a whistle at the end of the allotted time. If the skater is still skating, they are over. So it's quite possible that even with perfectly cut music, Michelle could have gone over time.
    What is considered moving? your arms moving or your feet?

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    I am not sure whether the rules have changed since 1984 or not but when Torvill & Dean skated Bolero they found they could not edit the music to be the required length so they got round it by doing that few seconds on their knees at the start of the program. They could do this because the rules were that movement only counted if you were on your feet and skating.

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    For someone who hasn't seen the competition, you are quick to judge those who have. In other words- Pot, Kettle, Black

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