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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt K View Post
    It's not about romantic feelings on ice. It's not even about athleticism vs. chemistry. It's about skating skills and technique. Ice Dancing, you know. Certainly not jumping up and down on the ice. But hey, whatever rocks your boat.
    Just to show you personal preferences and judging guidelines are two different animals. It's not whatever rocks my boat because V/M is my preferred dance team, it's whatever rocks the judging protocol and ISU, period. And ice dancing has changed, there's no way you can change how the current Olympics is judged under the guidelines (and I was not the one who's writing them). Want the old system back? Write to ISU to get your opinions heard, or be a judge in your federation, go up the ranks and get your influence to work.

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    D/W are my preferred team too, love them, but looking objectively at both pairs, I stand by what I mentioned in my earlier posts about V/M's standout qualities. I have eyes too, and I will not change what I said about the teams. You can have your opinion too, that is okay. You are not going to get me to change my mind .

    All 10 posts of yours to date, every single one of them, were posted just TODAY and all responses to me. Scary. DW fans *scary*

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    I so agree! There was no whining or bitterness from Meryl and Charlie when Tessa and Scott won in Vancouver. No coach-blaming. No sneaky insinuations of cheating. Just accepting the silver with grace and dedicating themselves to do better next time. As others have posted, they have beat Tessa and Scott in EVERY competition this year. Were ALL the judges crooked at every competition? Tessa and Scott, and the Canadian commentators, are not doing themselves proud. They come off as churlish. petulant sore losers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt K View Post
    Oh, and also, I have saved copies of all ice dance tapes to review as educational material as part of my judging duties. We are all judges. Every single one of us
    Real skating judges are the ones who have registered and listed in their federations. Are you one of them? I am.

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    MattK and/or bbgarfield, if you are still reading this thread:

    I still am hoping for an answer (from anyone knowledgeable) to my question in an earlier post re Finnstep requirements. Any thoughts? Thanks.

    Also, it was not bubbly or mildly humorous. Yes, I am not thrilled with the My Fair Lady music, but it does meet requirements, even if not an inspired choice ...
    I don't see how it wasn't bubbly. "Heaven, I'm in heaven"?
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    Agree with Blades. Seems to me that one man's bubbly is another's non-bubbly ...

    Doris, just curious:
    Is humorous one of the ISU specifications? And if so, what is humorous about Davis/White's My Fair Lady selections??

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    Right, because jumping up and down on the ice takes a larger toll on the knee and thus makes ice dance harder.

    Judge? Okay, if you say so

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt K View Post
    Right, because jumping up and down on the ice takes a larger toll on the knee and thus makes ice dance harder.

    Judge? Okay, if you say so
    It's the 'creation of vertical negative spaces'. Judges' school says so, not me.

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    Golden411: Server is extremely slow right now. I cannot retrieve earlier posts. Can you email me please with link? Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olympia View Post
    I doubt that Davis and White will continue skating that long. The point is rather that we American and Canadian fans should enjoy the gold medals of both Davis/White and Virtue/Moir. The next dynasty will be Russian, and might remain so for the foreseeable future. Our North American golden age, which has lent a glow to both Canada and the United States during both Olympics, has probably ended for now.
    What I am hoping, but not, alas, expecting, is that the athleticism PLUS artistry won't be replaced by watered-down technical complexity and angsty uber! drama! But frankly I'm not holding my breath.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt K View Post
    Oh, and also, I have saved copies of all ice dance tapes to review as educational material as part of my judging duties. We are all judges. Every single one of us
    In your dreams only.

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    Aside from the nasty side notes this was the most helpful discussion about Virtue/Moir's and Davis/White's placements I read in both FSU and GoldenSkate. So thanks Matt K and bbgarfield! (I honestly mean it!)

    So the gist is:
    D/W won according to the current IJS judging guidelines. They skated a modern / current ice dance. That's how ice dance is supposed to look now according to the rules independent from our own preference.
    V/M skated more in the traditional ice dance way. Although many people prefer that traditional ice dance school it's outdated now!

    So to win Virtue/Moir would have had to skate more like Davis and White or in other words should have read the rules better.

    Explanatory note: I'm an V/M uber and I'm still sad about the outcome. For years I tried to understand what V/M did wrong. Most experts (TV Commentators, Figure skating journalists) said that D/W are the rightful winner. That made me think. But they failed to properly explain the reasons. Now I finally start to unterstand.

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    I was really hurt that Chan lost then the hate for D/W came.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gsk8 View Post
    Lad, first you post about how V/M should be nominated for the Order of Canada medal since "anyone can win an Olympic medal". Did that not get enough attention for you? Did you have to start another to further downplay D/W achievements?

    Very bad taste.....
    Thanks Paula, my sentiments exactly.

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    Marina put it best. "It's ok. Last time they were first. This time second." Really... I was so glad to see a strong North American contingent in the stands cheering for the ladies on both sides of the border today. C'mon, let's learn from them. Let's be global citizens and get over any misguided quasi-patriotic delusion. Be proud of all of our skaters and celebrate the victories we all should share with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bbgarfield View Post
    Golden411: Server is extremely slow right now. I cannot retrieve earlier posts. Can you email me please with link? Thanks.
    Thx, bbgarfield.

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