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    Quote Originally Posted by hurrah View Post
    Mao went to the Foreign Correspondents' Club in Tokyo straight after arriving back in Japan to take questions from the media:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFPotnkB8jU

    Her comments about Mori were really funny. She basically objected to his comments, but in such a sweet, sweet way that Mr. Mori, upon watching this interview, will probably just hang his swollen old head in shame like a little boy.

    Mao is looking as free and joyful as she used to look when she was 15-years-old! Luv her!!
    That translator works and speaks fast. +3 GOE on speed. What picture are they talking about, the funny faces after exhibition?

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    I watched the press conference... and I must say, Mao carries herself with class. What a lovely young lady she's grown up to be.

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    I still can't forget the goose bump that I got right after Mao's SP in Vancouver. It was the performance of that night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CORRUPTION View Post
    Epic Comeback.

    Am I delusional for thinking she might've deserved the Bronze?

    But with the corrupt judging even if she skated a perfect SP, she wouldn't have won the gold.

    Mao had the best PCS.

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    She lost in the SP. With only a small error such as a two-foot on the 3Axel, she would have received her usual SP score plus higher PCS. If she got 33.5 with 3/3 jump errors and clean she gets 34.5, then cleanish at the olympics she would have received 36 PCS. 38/39 technical and 36/36.5 PCS she would have been at 75. But if she had done that then leading into the LP she might have lost it and/or skated a completely different program just like in 2010. Hypothetically if she received 74/75 and then 145 she would have been at 220, solidly in the medals. Nevertheless, that was truly an incredible comeback.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isabel_O'Reilly View Post
    She lost in the SP. With only a small error such as a two-foot on the 3Axel, she would have received her usual SP score plus higher PCS. If she got 33.5 with 3/3 jump errors and clean she gets 34.5, then cleanish at the olympics she would have received 36 PCS. 38/39 technical and 36/36.5 PCS she would have been at 75. But if she had done that then leading into the LP she might have lost it and/or skated a completely different program just like in 2010. Hypothetically if she received 74/75 and then 145 she would have been at 220, solidly in the medals. Nevertheless, that was truly an incredible comeback.
    I think the point that is being made here is that even if Mao had skated to the best of her present abilities in both SP and FP, she still would not have won the gold medal against Adelina who two-footed one of her combo, under-rotated one of her combos, flutzes and is an inferior skater in any day of the week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hurrah View Post
    I think the point that is being made here is that even if Mao had skated to the best of her present abilities in both SP and FP, she still would not have won the gold medal against Adelina who two-footed one of her combo, under-rotated one of her combos, flutzes and is an inferior skater in any day of the week.
    I'd say that in the hypothetical case, Adelina would have been scored generously, instead of insanely, and would have received 34/69 at most and would be behind Mao. Obviously, Adelina's PCS was insane. She should have had 67 absolute max at Europeans and then here, with Olympic judging, maybe 69 at the absolute max. Same with Yulia I think Europeans should have been 68ish, team event 65/66, and individual a max of 67.

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    Mao did a clean FS in 2010 world right after Vancouver, and with two 3A she received 130 for that FS. In Sochi, Yulia received 135 for her FS with two falls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isabel_O'Reilly View Post
    I'd say that in the hypothetical case, Adelina would have been scored generously, instead of insanely, and would have received 34/69 at most and would be behind Mao. Obviously, Adelina's PCS was insane. She should have had 67 absolute max at Europeans and then here, with Olympic judging, maybe 69 at the absolute max. Same with Yulia I think Europeans should have been 68ish, team event 65/66, and individual a max of 67.
    Mao has been pretty consistently underscored throughout her career, so that is not a likely hypothesis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hurrah View Post
    Mao has been pretty consistently underscored throughout her career, so that is not a likely hypothesis.
    I'm not remotely qualified to offer an opinion on that. All I know is that sometimes I've felt she was overscored.


    I don't mean this in a negative way, just a straight out question. If any other ladies skater (top 10 PCS-wise) had had three out of three jumps misfire in the SP would their PCS be on par with what they have earned going clean? When I mentioned it obliquely somewhere else no one answered me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isabel_O'Reilly View Post
    I'm not remotely qualified to offer an opinion on that. All I know is that sometimes I've felt she was overscored.


    I don't mean this in a negative way, just a straight out question. If any other ladies skater (top 10 PCS-wise) had had three out of three jumps misfire in the SP would their PCS be on par with what they have earned going clean? When I mentioned it obliquely somewhere else no one answered me.
    Your question indicates that you think a performance should be judged not solely on its own merit but on reputation.

    Let me ask you a question. If an athlete participates in both the 200-meter and 100-meter run, and somehow doesn't live up to expectation in the 200-meter race but does well in the 100-meter race, should the runner be punished in the 100-meter results because he had a bad 200-meter result? Should a referee say, 'Oh, the guy just clocked in at 9.58, but since he clocked in below his average time in the 200-meter race, we'll just add an additional 0.1 to his time and make his official time 9.68.' Do you think that is okay?

    In my opinion, that you can even ask this question without seeming to be aware of how weird your question is, is an indication of the fishy norms prevalent in the world of figure skating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hurrah View Post
    Your question indicates that you think a performance should be judged not solely on its own merit but on reputation.

    Let me ask you a question. If an athlete participates in both the 200-meter and 100-meter run, and somehow doesn't live up to expectation in the 200-meter race but does well in the 100-meter race, should the runner be punished in the 100-meter results because he had a bad 200-meter result? Should a referee say, 'Oh, the guy just clocked in at 9.58, but since he clocked in below his average time in the 200-meter race, we'll just add an additional 0.1 to his time and make his official time 9.68.' Do you think that is okay?

    In my opinion, that you can even ask this question without seeming to be aware of how weird your question is, is an indication of the fishy norms prevalent in the world of figure skating.
    I was asking it that way because as far as I'm concerned PCS is never/should never be affected by a fall in the short or one or two in the long (because there's more than twice the jump elements). That is specifically stated in the ISU criteria and I agree with them when they that -GOE/downgrading the element and the mandatory deduction is more than enough points lost when a single fall can cost you the points from the entire element. Like Yulia receiving 0.08 instead of 6.6 for the triple flip she fell on (only because of highlight distribution, if it hadn't been she would have receive negative points(.

    However, they go on to say that when the structure of the program begins to unravel then PCS begins to be affected. When there are only three jumping elements and all three had serious problems, I'm questioning whether some of her component scores should have been that high. The qualifying statement about top ten was supposed to illustrate that I know she is one of the best components-wise (and I'm not talking about reputation). Even with mistakes she is better than the majority of skaters. But does that mean that her PCS should have stayed that high, as high as if she's clean, when there were serious flaws with the performance, especially considering it was the SP?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isabel_O'Reilly View Post
    I was asking it that way because as far as I'm concerned PCS is never/should never be affected by a fall in the short or one or two in the long (because there's more than twice the jump elements). That is specifically stated in the ISU criteria and I agree with them when they that -GOE/downgrading the element and the mandatory deduction is more than enough points lost when a single fall can cost you the points from the entire element. Like Yulia receiving 0.08 instead of 6.6 for the triple flip she fell on (only because of highlight distribution, if it hadn't been she would have receive negative points(.

    However, they go on to say that when the structure of the program begins to unravel then PCS begins to be affected. When there are only three jumping elements and all three had serious problems, I'm questioning whether some of her component scores should have been that high. The qualifying statement about top ten was supposed to illustrate that I know she is one of the best components-wise (and I'm not talking about reputation). Even with mistakes she is better than the majority of skaters. But does that mean that her PCS should have stayed that high, as high as if she's clean, when there were serious flaws with the performance, especially considering it was the SP?
    I don't see what this has to do with the original point, that Mao would have lost to Adelina even if she had skated the perfect SP and FP.

    If you want to raise this question, maybe another thread devoted to such issues would be more appropriate. Otherwise, it looks like you're trying to single out Mao's performance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by usethis2 View Post
    Mao did a clean FS in 2010 world right after Vancouver, and with two 3A she received 130 for that FS. In Sochi, Yulia received 135 for her FS with two falls.
    Even before Vancouver if you watch the 2010 4CC fs you will see that she here once again landed all her jumps that include two 3A's, and both 3A's ratified but only got around 129 in the FS, but the pcs, that is given to skaters today is a lot higher then it was at that time. besides this really shows that the scores today can't be compared to how skaters were being scored just a few years ago due to various different factors, (especially at Sochi).

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