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    The Hypocrisy/Irony from 2010 Vancouver Men's FS result

    isn't it irony, in the men when Lysacek won with no quad beat Plushenko ( who did not compete even at Worlds ) and yet people found him a whiner
    4 years later, the technical elements were given of higher importance, now Sotnikova's 7 triple wins over a 6 triple Kim ( who missed competing the GP series too ) yet cries of injustice and foul play.

    ironic or was that hypocritical ?

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    Figure skating is not all about the jumps. God stop hating on yuna and open your eyes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sky_fly20 View Post
    ironic or was that hypocritical ?
    YOURSELF?

    There were cries over Evan's win then and cries over Sotnikova's win now. That's even out.

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    for the record, Yuna was a loop away from the gold medal, leaving her to do only 6 triples total
    the CoP change since Vancouver really affected her

    the loop and lower spin levels cost Yuna the gold
    but Yuna still had the highest GOE on her 3LZ-3T, no one can dispute that

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    Quote Originally Posted by spikydurian View Post
    YOURSELF?

    There were cries over Evan's win then and cries over Sotnikova's win now. That's even out.
    Lysacek was a controversial win outside NA, in the US it was Plushenko that was mocked

    care to differentiate

    Lysacek win
    Hughes win
    Sotnikova win

    at the end of the day, it is a sport
    everyone should have a chance for gold and not predetermined ranks
    you have newcomers like Gracie, Julia even Adelina
    who have risen in a short period at the right time, something the old system would have been difficult to happen

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    Lysacek was a controversial win outside NA, in the US it was Plushenko that was mocked

    care to differentiate
    Did Yuna denounce Sotnikova as not the "true champion"?

    Did Yuna jump on the gold medal podium during the victory ceremony?

    At the press conference, did Yuna, sitting next to Sotnikova, say "I guess the judges thought she needed a gold medal more than I did"?

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    There's almost always a controversial win at the Olympics. I don't think any amount of reform will completely erase that from the sport unless they change the nature of it and erase the performance component altogether.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moviechick View Post
    There's almost always a controversial win at the Olympics. I don't think any amount of reform will completely erase that from the sport unless they change the nature of it and erase the performance component altogether.
    Lipinski in 1998 won on her technical merits
    2002 lets not forget Hughes, B/S and S/P
    2010 Men's F/S with Lysacek and Plushenko

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    I'm just saying this is nothing new. They'll probably try to tweak the system even further after this but let's be real, it'll never be free of scandals.

    Hell, even the NBA still has controversy over referee calls and that one year when a ref had money on the Lakers and ensured their win over the Kings. They still didn't overturn any results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moviechick View Post
    I'm just saying this is nothing new. They'll probably try to tweak the system even further after this but let's be real, it'll never be free of scandals.

    Hell, even the NBA still has controversy over referee calls and that one year when a ref had money on the Lakers and ensured their win over the Kings. They still didn't overturn any results.
    agreed, at the end of the day its a judged sport
    humans are error ridden and no matter how many changes it goes there will always be glaring problems

    maybe in the future,
    no more judges but computer analyts machines on the panel
    with scans and images measuring each jump for correct edge and on eh right turn, revolutions and height

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    Maybe at some point people will just view this as like the Oscars. Whoever wins, it's nice but doesn't actually mean you're the best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moviechick View Post
    Maybe at some point people will just view this as like the Oscars. Whoever wins, it's nice but doesn't actually mean you're the best.
    let machines become judges
    and no more PCS marks

    there problem solved

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    Quote Originally Posted by sky_fly20 View Post
    Lysacek was a controversial win outside NA, in the US it was Plushenko that was mocked

    care to differentiate

    Lysacek win
    Hughes win
    Sotnikova win

    at the end of the day, it is a sport
    everyone should have a chance for gold and not predetermined ranks
    you have newcomers like Gracie, Julia even Adelina
    who have risen in a short period at the right time, something the old system would have been difficult to happen
    Looks who's talking?

    Strange about the sudden jump in PCs. Home cooking + strong Skating Fed + bribed judges = Sotnikova's win! How about dat? Sounds familiar?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sky_fly20 View Post
    isn't it irony, in the men when Lysacek won with no quad beat Plushenko ( who did not compete even at Worlds ) and yet people found him a whiner
    4 years later, the technical elements were given of higher importance, now Sotnikova's 7 triple wins over a 6 triple Kim ( who missed competing the GP series too ) yet cries of injustice and foul play.

    ironic or was that hypocritical ?
    In both cases the skater with the higher TES score won, with the PCS virtually even (exactly even in 2010, IIRC). Moral of the story -- rack up those tech points.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sky_fly20 View Post
    isn't it irony, in the men when Lysacek won with no quad beat Plushenko ( who did not compete even at Worlds ) and yet people found him a whiner
    4 years later, the technical elements were given of higher importance, now Sotnikova's 7 triple wins over a 6 triple Kim ( who missed competing the GP series too ) yet cries of injustice and foul play.

    ironic or was that hypocritical ?
    Now I know for sure you are a fake Kostner fan as someone else indicated. You arent upset in the least of a 7 triple Kostner losing to a 7 triple Sotnikova with weaker quality jumps and way worse basic skating and artistry. Dont even care in fact. Yeah definitely a fake Kostner fan.

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