04-15-2014, 03:11 PM
I don't share these ideas. Is this a joke! You assert without proof that there was a fraud. Then you denigrate everything in the OG , including organization and the athletes who participated .There were in Sochi the most beautiful ceremonies , with an artistic quality at the highest level. All competitions (olympic games, paralympics games) were interesting to watch, and I enjoyed what I saw.
Originally Posted by usethis2
04-15-2014, 03:14 PM
It's been about 2 weeks since I last visited this thread so I quickly glanced through the past few pages. And to no one's surprise (at least not me) the distractors desperately want this thread to die or to be closed. They have nothing to contribute but say the thread became a "joke." Yet they can't seem to contain themselves and keep coming back to it.
But of course they do not think this is a joke. They very well know that this is a dark page in FS history with certain individual highlights. If they truly do not care about this issue or think it is a "joke," they would not visit this thread, period. How do I know that? Because I do not go to Jessica Alba's fan forum to argue that Jennifer Lawrence is prettier than her. No one has that kind of time or motive to devote on a subject issue that do not appeal to them. (except for perhaps one or two members who appear to have no lives - a true bot perhaps? )
04-15-2014, 03:19 PM
If the distractors want this thread to die or be closed they should stop posting in it. After all the people posting mostly in this thread are ones like the obsessively deranged Rubirosa. I guess they are dumber in the end than the corrupt Russian federation and president who thought they could get away with this so easily.
04-15-2014, 03:48 PM
usethis2 : "And to no one's surprise (at least not me) the distractors desperately want this thread to die or to be closed."
- do you pretend to speak for everybody ?!
usethis2:" They have nothing to contribute but say the thread became a "joke." Yet they can't seem to contain themselves and keep coming back to it..."
- sorry, but as the thread is still running, is there an objection to have an eye ? and when there are no more relevant contributions but the same grumpy tunes, we can reasonably say "stop"... unless you want to ramble on until the end of the world... which will close the debate will be the answer from ISU to the korean federation, however it seems that the formal complaint is not yet sent and the delay expires 60 days after the event (it seems to me.. must verify)
usethis2 : "If they truly do not care about this issue or think it is a "joke," they would not visit this thread... No one has that kind of time or motive to devote on a subject issue that do not appeal to them"
- of course the subject "was" interesting, the thread itself is not a joke. Assertions without evidence are jokes. And visiting a thread is not squatting the thread !
04-15-2014, 04:03 PM
I know, those evil Russians who sent out a skater with a more intricate program, better spins, and more triples. Thank goodness they didn't get away with it. None of it had to do with Adelina conquering her nerves and capturing the moment.
Originally Posted by pangtongfan
After thinking about it some, I do think the judges were in a difficult predicament. Adelina almost never skates clean so they really weren't sure how to mark her. Rather than marking her close to Yuna and Caro intentionally, I think Adelina's mark were what they should be relative to what Julia gets for skating clean.
04-15-2014, 04:14 PM
With the names showing an ethnic based collusion and notable prominent fixers the issue of federstions coming together to strip Adelina of the gold would seem to have happened already. People are sure adleina won because of corrupt fixing and that her gold is illegimate and fraud based. Shekhovtseva, balkov, Lakernik, baranova and others must have had communications with Putin and others that because Putin was involved should have been exposed by wiki leaks and snowden.
04-15-2014, 04:59 PM
You know that there are plenty of evidences that the judging was unfair and fixed.
Originally Posted by Petitefleur
04-15-2014, 06:00 PM
this thread was moved
04-15-2014, 06:37 PM
1 - There are other people who are sure that Adelina deserved the gold, that gold was not fraud based !
2 - You can't say that there is an "ethnic collusion" just because they have similar ethnic origins, I suppose you are speaking about the free program... but the panel of juges in the short program gave to Adelina a score nearly the same as the one they gave to Yuna ... do you extend your suspicion to all the judges (short and free programs) ?
3 - I know that suspicion, imagination, interpretation are not evidence . The argument presented by the korean federation provides no evidence at all...
and I don't understand what Snowden has to do with this story !
04-15-2014, 06:40 PM
For those who are curious and uncertain about KSU complaint to ISU,
Frankly, KSU never seems to be willing to file a complaint to ISU. They first said on Feb.22 that they have appealed to ISU, but they were just respectfully requesting if the judging was made fairly. Of course ISU would say that the judging was made fairly. Then Koreans kept pressuring and calling KOC (KSU didn't even received a call until several weeks later). After we had a rally, KOC finally said that they were going to file a complaint. But it was KSU who should finally send a complaint to ISU. KOC then gave all the responsibility to KSU. After Koreans sent out newspaper advertisement, KSU said that they are going to file a complaint, but after the 2014 World Championship in Japan. Because they were afraid other korean skaters might be disadvantaged. ***? So they announced that they were going to file a complaint on April 2, 3rd. But as you might have expected, they didn't. So Korean fans kept calling and visiting them, but the person in charge was in meeting every time they call and out for vacation. Then Korean fans had to rally again in the most crowded place in Seoul. On April 20th, when Korean fans called KSU, they finally said that they had sent out a complaint (they filed a complaint, because KSU can't appeal after 30days according to ISU Rule 123, 124, but they can file a complaint until 60 days after the game). But there weren't any press conference and mass media reporting. They already have the control of all the media in Korea. They are only telling people who asks them. On a tv, there were about 15 seconds reporting that KSU have filed a complaint and no more. They are trying their best to conceal that they have filed a complaint. Other koreans called ISU to make sure if they have received the complaint, but the answer was they are going to only respond to reporters or any mass medias, but not to normal fans. Then, Korean fans visited KSU to make sure they have filed a complaint. But the thing is if ISU choose to dismiss the complaint, KOC have 21 days(3weeks) to appeal to IOC and CAS. It is likely that ISU might have had a prior consultation with KSU to make this go away silently. I am pretty sure Cinquanta started to feel pressured. It is important to know when ISU would dismiss the complaint from KSU. If they secretly do that, koreans are screwed. What koreans and other figure skating fans who thinks that the judging was rigged should tell their media and reporters about KSU complaint to ISU. It seems to me that medias in Germany started to report this thankfully. http://gall.dcinside.com/board/view/...mode=recommend
Let me tell you something about corrupted KSU as most of you are already aware of this. KSU is just corrupted and greedy as hell. I am sure you have heard of Victor Ahn, a former Korean who had 3 OGM to Korea in Vancouver and 3 OGM in Sochi. KSU let Victor Ahn naturalized to Russia because they don't want injured skater and that he has failed to pass the selection match. Koreans all know that coaches and one former Korean skater threatened Victor Ahn, because that skater needed OGM to evade obligatory military service in Korea. What a sad story. All Koreans are glad, but sad that Victor Ahn naturalized to russia.
In addition, the president of KSU is the son-in-law of the chairman of Samsung, Lee Kun-hee. Moreover, the president of KSU is a vice-president of KOC and a president of samsung engineering. LOL you can see what's going on here. The thing is Samsung made a contract with Russia regarding providing a construction of LTE coverage in Russia. Moreover, Samsung won a contract with Russia regarding gas spreading plantation(GSP) in IRAQ. It is clear that president of KSU, vice president of KOC, and a president of samsung engineering don't want to have a conflict and make bad image against Russia.
Moreover, the president of KSU and vice president of KOC is planning to become a IOC member. He clearly doesn't want to make a problem with them.
04-15-2014, 07:02 PM
My cold opinion on this situation is that, while we can talk about evidences of unfair judging, there is no concrete proof to confirm such evidences (no confirmation of bribery or previous agreement among judges, as it happened back in Salt Lake City, for example). That said, we couldn't say that a scandal really occured, and all discussion on this will be just speculation. Anyway, the damage is done for Adelina. Sadly.
04-16-2014, 01:08 AM
What a "masterpiece" a.k.a. lame Russophobe trolling, to try to engage posters in ethnic, national, or racial stereotyping. Actually Yuna fans were doing that from Day 1. It means they never had any valid sport argument from Day 1. That's why they sticked with Putnikova and Russian Currupted Olympics from Day 1. It also means they lost from Day 1.
Originally Posted by usethis2
04-16-2014, 06:12 AM
I think it's better off and the admins made a right choice. Too many trolls have been making appearances in recent weeks here. I'd rather bookmark the thread and visit it when necessary. Hopefully trolls will be happy.
Originally Posted by chapis
04-17-2014, 06:18 AM
Of course. Everyone who doesn't think that Yuna was robbed in Sochi is a troll.
Originally Posted by usethis2
04-19-2014, 11:52 PM
HEY, Adelina (sort of) deserved it. The olympics naturally inflate scores and improve performances and she has AMAZING height