^This. So many great performances although I feel the same about the scores. I couldn't help but see in each event how much they were trying to pull up the russian athletes as much as they could. Definitely not fair game, but Adelina did deserve an olympic medal (Bronze imo). After watching this, I feel happy that they all skated well, but also hope that future Olympics will not be held in Russia again. That being said, my favorite skaters are all retiring so I don't even know whether I will continue following this sport. ah well, it was nice while it lasted (:
Originally Posted by Krislite
I think Adelina was so great, and she deserves the victory..
Certainly is a sad day for skating. Yes, Adelina had the jumps, but personally I don't think she was all that close to Kim/Kostner in terms of artistry. Those 2 were on a whole other level.
Adelina was great, but she did not deserve to be the OGM.
It's sad because Russia will be known as the Federation that rigs, and Adelina will be known as Putin's Chosen.
I'm so sad
Korea must be heartbroken. I am sad at the state of this "sport." It's a disgrace.
I don't even know if Plushenko would stand behind this travesty.
Originally Posted by usethis2
The Russian crowd at the stadium today, and Putin whose money bought the gold medal.
ISU, stop promoting 2-foot skating!
I understand your frustration and I don't want to come across as aggressive but the judging is not going to improve if instead of trying to pin point the problems in order to then try to find the solutions, everything will be blamed on 'corrupt judges.' It's a very easy answer. The big bad villain in the corner who is responsible for all the wrong results. The only reaction from the ISU establishment to that is going to be defensive, though. Furthermore it is a very serious allegation to make if you don't have any proof to back it up.
Reposting (plus editing/expanding a little a bit) from the Ladies SP thread:
The fact Sotnikova got PCS that high, higher than Kostner's and almost as high as Kim's is absolutely ridiculous. She has poor posture, carriage and lines, both of her programs had very little relation to the music in terms of style or character and her timing was mostly off. Her basic skating is pretty good but it's not great and it's not at the level of some of the other top skaters either.
Her technical elements were extremely impressive in both programs and a few quibbles aside, her high TES scores - in relation to the other skaters at least - were largely justified. But the PCS were not.
As compelling as the 'Russians bribed everybody' discourse is, cultural, social and psychological processes are usually more complex than that. I've been thinking about the possible reasons for the result going this way and the possible factors I could think of were:
Sotnikova genuinely skated well technically in both programs and bolstered by the huge support of the audience, the judges simply went with her on the PCS as well. Anchoring, plain and simple. An overall positive impression got carried over to all of the marks.
Secondly, not all of the judges had ballet or dance training and even if they did as skaters, they might not know much about it in terms of looking from the outside. So if a skater is totally off-time and/or their posture is weak, they might not even notice that.
Thirdly, if you ever try to judge a program in real time, you will notice that when the program is over, you have spent pretty much the entire time thinking about the GOE of the technical elements. The music finished and you probably don't even remember much about what happened in between. Which is why panels should be split into GOE and PCS judges, IMO.
A system for marking PCS still doesn't exist and the criteria are pretty vague. And time is very limited. So given all of these constraints, it's understandable the judges simply go with their gut feeling and don't give PCS marks much thought. How? When?
Finally, the looming shadow of the corridor means you are likely to mark how you expect the others to and will try to keep all of your marks 'in line' without obvious outliers.
It seems the FS fans started the fight again than in Vancouver after the men competition..
Originally Posted by hurrah
All three medalists had beautiful skates today, and I would have been okay with any one of them winning.
I think it is unfair to Adelina to have all this vitriol tossed at her.
Although it's heartbreaking that some of the veterans were ripped off, I'm more, deeply, sad about how the Olympics are heading into. Olympics is losing its spirit. It has been turned from pure competition to money and politics. I had this feeling even before Yuna skated that even if she's clean, the best she'll receive is silver, and I was right. I was not happy, but I was not mad either because it was bound to happen. Russians will be happy, but I know the rest of the world knows who the real winner is, and it's not Adelina.
My heart today though, goes to Mao. Her tears at the end reminded me how difficult and stressful this sport can be. She did make mistakes in the SP, but her FS was delightful to watch, and she too, will be remembered as one of the "greats" in my minds. It was really nice to see her 3A getting ratified.
Yuna done what she can do best, and she delivered. If she's happy with her performance, I, too, will be happy.
Christine Brennan says headline will be "Worse than Salt Lake 2002"
Christine Brennan writes figure skating for USA Today, and is a commentator on ABC and National Public Radio.
"headline is that this is worse than Salt Lake City. Terrible decision."
Also she said Ashley Wagner made a statement, that she was speechless about the results and anonymous judging must be eliminated.
I love Adelina, and find the vitrol against her unfair. I think she is the strongest technically of the three women. Now the PCS? But I don't think the PCS are nearly as bad as many are arguing.
Unfair scoring in SP and FS. I watched the SP at least twice.