I think Putin's anti-gay law is ridiculous and wrong but so far no one has been able to provide even a shred evidence that supports the notion that Putin is corrupt and rolling in money. The journalists talk and talk and talk but no one has proven anything. If it wasn't for Putin, Russia would have been broken up a la Yugoslavia and then robbed of all natural resources. I think that the FS results were TOTALLY UNFAIR but I don't think that Putin influenced them. The IJS is the problem and not Putin.
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I think that's the point Anna..people can't prove anything by talking about skating here or they have limited knowledge regarding FS so they have resorted to attacking Putin. It is a very telling sign.
This thread may as well change its title to "the baseless accusations thread" and anyone disputing outlandish circumstantial evidence is ignorant. Some days I just wake up and can't resist. It's just so fascinating to see how one sided certain people can get.
Oh they can Just keep pushing!
Talking about what's realistic,
there has been quite a response to Cinquanta's solutions, the links are on this page of Fire Cinquanta thread:
Do you think baseless accusations might change into us discussing changes in judging system any time soon? Is it a realistic dream?
What's your prediction?
I want transparent judging and small reforms to the selection process of judges. I'm all for that. To be honest though unless you ban all federations from judging(won't happen) it doesnt really matter if its the president of the federation or a former coach within. They are all going to prefer the style of skating they grew up around and I don't necessarily even see a problem with that---if the judging is transparent.
I'm not for people who don't know the basics of how a spin is scored/executed or how to interpret GOE bullets bringing in slander against a skater or world leader based on nothing. That is borderline bigotry to me! Sure it's suspicious that judges hug skaters. Sure it's suspicious that VP's are selected to judge at Olympic events. But people taking pictures of Putin and Adelina and saying..."see there.. I told you so" is ridiculous. They are poisoning the well. The discussion should start to involve other events too. Only using Sochi as an example to fix the process is very impractical. IMO we should pick random events and study the judging. The true heart of the sport. Use Sochi as the outlier it is and judge the sport as a whole.
My prediction..nothing will happen because the KSU either won't do anything or they will look foolish by only focusing on Yuna vs Adelina and not the entire judging process.
Is this a fair post? I feel like I just made a point or two and didn't use any circumstantial venomous slander.
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In terms of difficulty you could take a look at their second series in SP. They both do upright spins. But again, if my eyes do not betray me, all Yuna's positions are very classical - these types of spins existed when I skated: in the seventies. Yulia on the other hand does the Biellmann the way nobody else does (as far as I can remember Biellmann in principle was a privilige of few before the 90s). I understand that Yuna injured her back but it is just about comparing two skaters at the specific moment of time. Don't know what happens to Yulia in the future and whether she will be able to keep her flexibility in the years to come. God helps her.