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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam-Skwantch View Post
    Do not feed the troll!!
    I hope you're not reffering to me I'm not trolling, honest!

    Quote Originally Posted by Sam-Skwantch View Post
    This thread has resorted to nonsense. Putin had decided to rig the results after the hockey loss even though it was planned months in advance. Yulia has worse spins than Yuna. Adelina is best friends with Putin and that is why she won which doesn't contradict the hockey loss theory In any way at all. DMD is Bill Clinton's best friend. I am Kwans favorite too. Anyone who disagrees is ignorant..,see the post up top. I'm "A"!!!
    Oh. So many truth in just one post

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snow63 View Post

    Oh. So many truth in just one post
    I forgot this little one too. Yulia's I-spin is great but her sit spin (cannonball/broken leg variation )isn't....even though they are in the same combination that leads to her I-spin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam-Skwantch View Post
    Yulia's I-spin is great but her sit spin (cannonball/broken leg variation )isn't....even though they are in the same combination that leads to her I-spin.
    I love that spin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cuon_alpinus View Post
    Did you know that Putin attended ladies team event? He also attended ladies free skating and watched the whole game sitting next to Cinquanta. And yeah, I am sure his agenda was too busy for attending these event right? Putin surely affected this ladies figure skating and russia really needed a gold medal after losing men's hockey against usa. But I can understand those judges' decision, because they might have been killed if they rebel. But if you listen to him, putin and isu would award them. You really don't have any idea how cruel and greedy Putin is. You don't have to cover for his ***, because the whole world knows that he is a corrupted dictator and that those results in Sochi Olympic especially in figure skating was extremely unfair.
    You know, I find this funny. The whole world "knows" that Putin is a corrupt dictator EXCEPT the people that actually live in his country and probably know the most about him!

    I think Putin's anti-gay law is ridiculous and wrong but so far no one has been able to provide even a shred evidence that supports the notion that Putin is corrupt and rolling in money. The journalists talk and talk and talk but no one has proven anything. If it wasn't for Putin, Russia would have been broken up a la Yugoslavia and then robbed of all natural resources. I think that the FS results were TOTALLY UNFAIR but I don't think that Putin influenced them. The IJS is the problem and not Putin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snow63 View Post
    This is the most ridiculous thing I've read on this forum so far. Wait... No, actually it's beyond ridiculous.
    amen

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam-Skwantch View Post
    This thread has resorted to nonsense. Putin had decided to rig the results after the hockey loss even though it was planned months in advance. Yulia has worse spins than Yuna. Adelina is best friends with Putin and that is why she won which doesn't contradict the hockey loss theory In any way at all. DMD is Bill Clinton's best friend. I am Kwans favorite too. Anyone who disagrees is ignorant..,see the post up top. I'm "A"!!!
    Je t'aime

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    Hi Putin fans,

    in case people start too much talking about figure skating here and you get bored,

    here's a link to a cute scientific article about Putin jokes created by Russians:
    http://www.allrussias.com/jokes/putin_01.asp

    If you want to discuss Putin jokes with other North Americans then you might try this page:

    http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/03/putin-jokes.html

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    I think that's the point Anna..people can't prove anything by talking about skating here or they have limited knowledge regarding FS so they have resorted to attacking Putin. It is a very telling sign.

    This thread may as well change its title to "the baseless accusations thread" and anyone disputing outlandish circumstantial evidence is ignorant. Some days I just wake up and can't resist. It's just so fascinating to see how one sided certain people can get.

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    ^
    Oh they can Just keep pushing!

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    Talking about what's realistic,
    there has been quite a response to Cinquanta's solutions, the links are on this page of Fire Cinquanta thread:
    http://www.goldenskate.com/forum/sho...inquanta/page6

    Do you think baseless accusations might change into us discussing changes in judging system any time soon? Is it a realistic dream?
    What's your prediction?

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    I want transparent judging and small reforms to the selection process of judges. I'm all for that. To be honest though unless you ban all federations from judging(won't happen) it doesnt really matter if its the president of the federation or a former coach within. They are all going to prefer the style of skating they grew up around and I don't necessarily even see a problem with that---if the judging is transparent.

    I'm not for people who don't know the basics of how a spin is scored/executed or how to interpret GOE bullets bringing in slander against a skater or world leader based on nothing. That is borderline bigotry to me! Sure it's suspicious that judges hug skaters. Sure it's suspicious that VP's are selected to judge at Olympic events. But people taking pictures of Putin and Adelina and saying..."see there.. I told you so" is ridiculous. They are poisoning the well. The discussion should start to involve other events too. Only using Sochi as an example to fix the process is very impractical. IMO we should pick random events and study the judging. The true heart of the sport. Use Sochi as the outlier it is and judge the sport as a whole.

    My prediction..nothing will happen because the KSU either won't do anything or they will look foolish by only focusing on Yuna vs Adelina and not the entire judging process.

    Is this a fair post? I feel like I just made a point or two and didn't use any circumstantial venomous slander.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anna K. View Post
    Hi Putin fans,

    in case people start too much talking about figure skating here and you get bored,

    here's a link to a cute scientific article about Putin jokes created by Russians:
    http://www.allrussias.com/jokes/putin_01.asp
    I seriously hope that you're not serious... I'm not a Putin "fan", I just don't think he bribed the judges... as for political jokes, us Canadians make fun of Harper all the time (I am Russian-Canadian), and the English make fun of the their government too... I seriously don't think it's an indicator of "freedom".
    Last edited by dorispulaski; 04-05-2014 at 08:12 PM. Reason: fix link

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    Quote Originally Posted by usethis2 View Post
    Do you mean deceleration by "finish" and "stops"? Of course skaters have to stop spinning at some point. I am not certain of what you are referring to.

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    I meant that in technical terms overall RPM of Yuna is lower than that of Yulia and this is especially visible towards the end of each rotation series, well, it's deceleration. For example, they have similar spin types in the first rotaion series in SP and both do 16 revolutions. But it takes Yuna 12 seconds to complete, and Yulia only 9: just measured.

    In terms of difficulty you could take a look at their second series in SP. They both do upright spins. But again, if my eyes do not betray me, all Yuna's positions are very classical - these types of spins existed when I skated: in the seventies. Yulia on the other hand does the Biellmann the way nobody else does (as far as I can remember Biellmann in principle was a privilige of few before the 90s). I understand that Yuna injured her back but it is just about comparing two skaters at the specific moment of time. Don't know what happens to Yulia in the future and whether she will be able to keep her flexibility in the years to come. God helps her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by usethis2 View Post

    Yuna also does a belly-up camel that I haven't seen anyone else doing. [/URL]
    True, but to my taste it's not aesthetically pleasing.

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