02-21-2014, 04:08 PM
So when a skater wins Olympic gold, you're on their bandwagon. But when a skater is inconsistent you say cruel, despicable things about them.
Originally Posted by sky_fly20
What a fan, you are.
02-21-2014, 04:10 PM
Even she got downgrade her based value is still higher than Adelina. Plus if Mao got downgrade on 3L than Adelina 3T should also be downgraded.
Originally Posted by bsfan
Anyhow, Sotnikova doesn't deserve this much hate.
02-21-2014, 04:11 PM
I think this result will be debated years into the future (ala kwan and Lipinski in 98) but I have to say I think Adelina deserved it here , I do think she should have had lower pcs than Kim by a few points and Kostner , But she skated like her life depended on it this week, I think the difference for me was that Adelina skated to win while Yuna skated not to lose. I know many will not agree with me and I respect your opinions but I think Adelina skated like a true champion, all three ladies on the podium skated the best I can remember of any top 3 at the Olympics.
02-21-2014, 04:29 PM
Kostner skated the same way as Yuna. She wanted a medal, and it didn't matter what color it was. She was going to make history, and there's nothing that was going to keep her off that Podium. 3 of Kostner's jumping passes scared the living crap out of me. I definitely was getting ready to light a candle for her...
Originally Posted by skatel80
I cannot get over the amount of posing she does in that program though, and the LONG telegraphs. I feel like the telegraphs and posing are like 1/3rd of the time she' doing the program. She did look like she was enjoying being out there. Her smile seemed quite genuine and she was exceptionally graceful and supportive towards the other medalists which shows how truly sweet of a person she is.
Yuna was definitely skating to "not lose" and it showed. I also think her program was easier than a lot of the other skaters. She didn't have many transitions in the program and did a metric ton of crossovers in that program. For most of the program, she had that pained look on her face... It was almost as if she was disinterested or on a business trip (she did smack a smile on towards the middle for a while). Now, I'm hearing word that she was injured (gash on her foot or something) coming into the games. Is this true?
Sotnikova's skate gave me the same feeling Lipinski's skate in 1998 did. She was out there to win, not simply to "protect her placement" the way Kostner and Kim were.
I am super proud of Kostner for keeping it together at the Olympics, though, as they have been her nemesis in the past.
02-21-2014, 04:58 PM
To be honest, your posts on this matter... You're embarrassing yourself. "Garbage Skater" What kind of person says such a thing?
Originally Posted by pangtongfan
If I were Sotnikova I'd retire right now. No matter how much she loves skating, nothing is worth the vitriol you people are spewing her way. It's absolutely classless and it's amazing what people are willing to say or do when they can hide behind an internet persona/screen name.
02-21-2014, 05:05 PM
It doesn't matter because Mao's SP was a splatfest. She was crushed by the pressure, and Adelina wasn't and looked like she was having the time of her life in the process.
Originally Posted by hurrah
Also, it's easier to do Multiple UR Triples than Multiple fully rotated triples, especially with the speed and amplitude Sotnikova employs.
02-21-2014, 05:17 PM
I'm pretty sure Sotnikova has gone through Puberty already. Remember all the problems she was having when Tuktamysheva was running the tables on the Grand Prix while she was having worse results? That was the results of her issues with Puberty (having to rework a lot of her jumps, timing, etc.). I think it's safe to say she survived puberty (Tuktamysheva has thus far not been as fortunate).
Originally Posted by cooper
Also, people are acting like Sotnikova is a Tuktamysheva-level "Skater" She is much better than that and the way the judges held her skating down due to her being "newer on the scene" is IMO not a true representation of how talented or good she is as a skater.
If Yuna Kim deserves a 9 for SS and Transition in the programs she showed, Adelina sure as hell did cause she had a lot more difficult skating and definitely a lot more transitions in her programs. Perf/Exec speaks for itself. She sold the sh*t out of those programs and she was on fire. CH is more subjective but her program certainly had more of it than Kim's. However, that is the most subjective component (along with Perf/Exec).
I think people need to also realize that a lot of reputation scoring gets done in this sport. Yuna is a reputed skater, and even if she showed up with WORSE programs she would have still gotten high PCS because the judges dare not mark her down at this point. If it will be a scandal to mark down Yuna's PCS when she actually deserves low-mid 8s instead of 9-10s, how is a newer skater who outperforms her supposed to ever win against her. Should they just accept that they will lose everytime until Kim retires "for good." What if she showed up in 2018 with 6 triples and wanted a third gold. Default win just for standing up in her program? Using PCS to try to gift wins to other skaters is just a bad way to do it because the PCS system is stupid and has pretty much exclusively been used to rank skaters since the system was practically incepted (which is why I think it's stupid). There are younger skaters that deserve higher PCS, but the judges never give it to them. Then the next year when they show up skating the same way all of a sudden they get an extra 0.75 average in all PCS categories. How do you explain that... Inconsistent skaters are routinely penalized in PCS, as well. This is why Lipnitskaya's components went up even across grand prix events (which were hardly "Russian Nationals"). This is also why Mao Asada's components have tended to be scored conservatively compared to Yuna's even though technically she is a superior "components skater" IMO.
Kim did not deserve some of the high components she got, and since the commentators aren't actually explaining to you people what goes into the PCS categories to come up with those scores (it would take too much time, so don't expect them to) you remain ignorant of what's going on and are blinded by the way the judges have tended to use those marks to place skaters.
This is why I don't generally I don't really care about the PCS. I care about the placements. PCS is used the same way the old Presentation Mark was. When Kwan faltered and Slutskaya delivered at Worlds, suddenly she got 6.0s. That the judges saying "I want her in first." That's about all it meant to me. I really don't care if they put Sotnikova ahead by 100 in components points, because my perspective of how those points are used is pretty clear if you look back at how the scoring has worked since its inception. She won with her performances and the only thing that matters is the placement.
I feel the obsession with "points totals" and "world records" has really put a lot of fog on people's glasses. Stop missing the forest through the trees, and deal with the bigger picture. The only thing good about this scoring system is that it allows for benefitting Good Spins and good Difficulty and Stamina. The PCS marks are basically 6.0 Presentation broken up into 5 categories and used the same way.
If it would be okay if she won by 0.5 pts, why does it matter if she won by 5 points. She won, and that's the result that, in the opinion of many others (including experts and past champions, etc.), think is actually fair. It doesn't really matter where the competition was held. Not sure why people complain about the audience. In Canada the Canadians were crazy over Rochette and speaking of Home Town advantage, there could be an argument made that Nagasu could have deserved that bronze but you people would probably say something idiotic like "she was too young, immature, etc...". Being in Canada and (I say this apologetically, cause I don't mean ill will by mentioning it) Rochettes tragedy with her mom did help her in Vancouver.
02-21-2014, 05:34 PM
Adelina: "I want all the gold that there is out there."
Are these Olympics the start of several victories for Adelina Sotnikova?
This is what she said to reporters today:
"Yes, I am the Olympic champion, but this is not the end of it," Sotnikova said Friday, a day after giving Russia its first Olympic gold in women's figure skating. "I want all the gold that there is out there, everything that exists in figure skating. In all events, in all competitions."
So, she is obviously not planning to retire, probably going to be around for next Olympics and maybe the one after that. Is this Olympic medal the start of a whole bunch of world medals, world championships, etc?
Since these judges have given her the gold, she will, if she is clean, likely be medaling in several competitions as she now has the reputation and prestige of being Olympic champion.
Russia will likely be a strong contender for the next Olympic gold since they have Adelina, Julia and more youngsters coming through the ranks.
02-21-2014, 05:41 PM
You mean the 2018 Winter Olympics that will be held in Korea?
Originally Posted by skatingfan20
02-21-2014, 05:42 PM
Guys PLEASE. There is an Adelina thread and this has already been posted both there and in the thread about the controversy. These duplicate threads are too much for all of us and just keep getting moved.
02-21-2014, 05:45 PM
Yulia Lipnitskaya-san, Roshia!
Her coach, Elena Buyanova, also said that it is possible Adelina will try to make quads.
02-21-2014, 05:49 PM
Well, I'd like to see that, since she gets amazing height on her 3 toe. May she go out all gun blazing - Mao style - I only hope that she stays healthy.
Originally Posted by Rhodium
02-21-2014, 05:53 PM
Sounds like someone is buying into how great she thinks she is now. Only she won't have Russian judges or the home crowd to prop her up in Japan at Worlds.
02-21-2014, 05:56 PM
For a girl who has not even won a Grand Prix event, this is a tall order LOL
02-21-2014, 06:00 PM
Does Putin have more money to buy her more medals?