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    Quote Originally Posted by pangtongfan View Post

    Worst overall skater to win the OGM: Poetzsch in 1980. Sorry just nothing remarkable about her, even on a good day. Not a stunning figures expert like Schuba either, even if she was the best in figures of her time. Even Sotnikova and Hughes are better skaters than her.
    ...and to make it more atrocious, she won over Denise Biellmann

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    Quote Originally Posted by skatedreamer View Post
    a lovely pic of Yuna in her SP dress. What caught my eye was the position of her hands....http://blog.sfgate.com/chronstyle/20...st/#20597101=3


    http://img.koreatimes.co.kr/upload/n...1-05-20-01.jpg
    http://single-skating.nrw-trophy.de/...na-KIM-KOR.jpg
    http://www.myhero.com/images/guest/g...m_2008SASP.jpg
    http://24.media.tumblr.com/d5195154f...biro1_1280.jpg
    http://images4.fanpop.com/image/phot...02-580-848.jpg
    http://static.rookiemag.com/2013/01/...560-1930-1.jpg
    https://lh4.ggpht.com/DERH65oZXo_4Vp...drVwqCOPq=w300


    Quote Originally Posted by poleptina View Post
    Speaking of line, port de bras, and dancers who skate, remember Katherine Healy?)
    She was exquisite I especially love that she points her foot up on the layback = perfection

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    Quote Originally Posted by KwanIsALegand View Post
    I still subscribe to idea that 'it's not just about jumps' and without her jumps Adelina would be in 20th place. There is nothing there, she's rough, robotic and flat.
    Your opinion obviously, but I actually thought that Adelina was anything but flat and robotic in her Sochi skates, especially her SP where she had more spunk and attack than we'd ever seen from her.

    I also think she has some lovely original spin positions, and her ice presence and performance is continuing to improve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KwanIsALegand View Post
    I still subscribe to idea that 'it's not just about jumps' and without her jumps Adelina would be in 20th place. There is nothing there, she's rough, robotic and flat.
    Even before Sochi, Adelina was getting the 4th-6th highest PCS in the world. So without the technical elements she'd probably be 4th, not 20th. Unfortunately in the night of the LP it was Yuna who was rough, robotic, and flat. Merely caressing her face whilst skating about wasn't enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drivingmissdaisy View Post
    Even before Sochi, Adelina was getting the 4th-6th highest PCS in the world.
    Even before Sochi, there were talks about obvious inflation here
    Just saying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pangtongfan View Post
    Not so much bad judging, but the flaws of the scoring system at the time.
    That's why we actually remember this with no biterness. There were flaws and they were corrected. But where to go from now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anna K. View Post
    That's why we actually remember this with no biterness. There were flaws and they were corrected. But where to go from now?
    I would so love to agree w/ you re: correcting/eliminating flaws! IMO, though, the reality is that one set of problems has simply been replaced w/ another. In theory, CoP does provide a more objective method of scoring but as long as judges remain anonymous and are not required to stand behind their decisions, the issues will still exist.

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    And yes, without her jumps, Sotnikova would be 20th. That's why Mao was 16th after the SP in Sochi, why Oda was 28th at 2010 Worlds, and why Czisny was 22nd at 2012 Worlds. Without the jumps, EVERY skater would be 20th.

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    Sotnikova would've been a well deserved bronze. I mean, I don't agree with her win but let's not go crazy here, she skated two strong programs here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skatedreamer View Post
    I would so love to agree w/ you re: correcting/eliminating flaws! IMO, though, the reality is that one set of problems has simply been replaced w/ another. In theory, CoP does provide a more objective method of scoring but as long as judges remain anonymous and are not required to stand behind their decisions, the issues will still exist.
    Which somehow makes me feel like the famous Harry Potter movie quote: Dark times lie ahead of us and there will be a time when we must choose between what is easy and what is right aw I mean

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    Quote Originally Posted by winky97 View Post
    I guess time will tell what Adelina's future as a skater will be. She is no doubt very athletic and can jump and spin like the Tasmanian Devil, I just simply do not care for her skating. I find it to be kind of ugly. I actually think that they screwed her over by giving her that OGM. Motivation can become an issue when you get the top prize. Adelina has some things that she really needs to improve in her skating. I wonder if the motivation will be there to improve now. I read a couple of interviews of hers after she got the OGM and she came off kind of arrogant, though that can be a translation issue. I understand that sometimes things get lost in translation from one language to the next. Since she is not going to Worlds we will have to wait to see what she does next skating season, but I don't expect much out of her. She may try to come back next year to compete, but I think she might end up more like Sarah, have a sub par post Olympic year and retire from competing. Maybe Sarah and Adelina will end up tied on my list as worst OGM ever when it is all said and done. Right now Adelina is holding it down because her OGM is so darn questionable, though Sarah is a very close second. I am trying hard to be open to Adelina showing me she does not belong there.
    I agree about the part regarding motivation. While Adelina was ok in Sochi, she is very unrefined and, in some ways, a pretty unappealing skater to watch for more than 2 minutes. She has great height on a few of her jumps, but her landing position for her first triple in a 3-3 combination is atrocious. Also, she has almost no speed or flow out of her triple flip. That's just her jumps. The rest of her skating is pretty mediocre at best in my humble opinion. I noticed in Sochi that her footwork sequences in both programs were busy but had almost no flow across the ice and actually made me tired watching them. They just looked very "rough." Ditto for her general skating skills and artistic interpretation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pangtongfan View Post
    The constant referencing of Sotnikova supposably being seen as the 4th PCS girl for years (BS) is another straw grasp in a desperate attempt to try and justify Sotnikova getting the same PCS as a clean Kim and higher than a clean Kostner in Sochi (not to mention 5 spots higher than a spectacular Mao in the LP) as if it can ever be perceived as even semi acceptable even for her best skate (which it wasnt with an obvious stumble, and an obvious < that was ignored) . However even that straw grasp which wouldnt make a particularly strong argument even if it were accurate, involves some major fudging of the factual truth and is in fact not at all accurate.
    I stated, and have not edited, what I said that she was generally in the 4 - 6 range with Ashley and Akiko. I don't feel the need to "desperately attempt" to justify Adelina's scores. Every judge scored her well in Sochi. You don't have to agree with me, but judges from Germany, Japan, Italy, France and Canada (I think I got those right) gave her plenty of 9's for PCS. Your bitterness about Adelina winning is fine, but the judging panel was solidly behind her because even those who had Yuna ahead likely had her winning by a very small margin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pangtongfan View Post
    Bitter about Adelina winning, ROTFL! Why would I be bitter about something I won 8000 dollars over.
    No, that's wrong. You should still be bitter. It's only money. What's money compared to truth and righteousness?

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    You forgot the Art, the Flow, and the Grace

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    Quote Originally Posted by pangtongfan View Post
    You have said numerous times over she was generally the #4 girl in PCS, but anyway even amending your comments it is still BS. She was constantly owned by Ashley and Akiko on PCS, never getting higher PCS (except for when Suzuki had a total meltdown in Worlds LP) and she numerous other times had lower PCS than Gold, Osmond, and others. So 6-8 range in PCS is more reflective of reality, than your fabricated "#4 girl" on PCS.

    Bitter about Adelina winning, ROTFL! Why would I be bitter about something I won 8000 dollars over. The moment I saw the judging panel and Putin the crowd I put 2000 down on Adelina winning at 1-4 knowing it was a lock and thankfully I was right. I would have been very upset had the judging panel dissapointed me and actually judged the skating and not given Sotnikova her fixed win. The only thing I am bitter about is not being smart enough to put the money down when the odds were more like 1-15 after Julia fell in the SP, as the way the whole Games had been scored it was obvious they would get a Russian winner out of the ladies no matter what. You on the other hand are so bitter that hardly anyone accepts her win you have posted 50 times a day trying to brainwash people with your bogus arguments, mostly based on lies as your PCS bluff about Sotnikova proves to come around to your side. You are like the Tonya Harding of GS, trying to morph your own reality for yourself.
    This is hilarious. I hope the "$8000" you won was enough to make that nose of yours shrink back down to its original size.

    You're NOT bitter about Sotnikova winning? Shall I refer you to your 100+ posts of you whining about it?

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