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Thread: The art, the flow, the grace is gone

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    Quote Originally Posted by KwanIsALegand View Post
    OK, yes, maybe I exaggerated a bit.
    But I made you laugh didn't I?
    Hah, I'm always up for a laugh. It's why I continue to read pangtongfan's/sky_fly's posts, after all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pangtongfan View Post
    naw, I would rather the money. Figure skating would still be a foul sport long way from resolution even if they judged the womens event at the Games fairly. The judging of the other events all sucked already after all, and the judging the last 4 years has been the worst in the history of the sport. A well judged womens event with the correct winner would just be a blip in the grand scheme of things.
    You should still be bitter about Ladies result. Thanks to the publicity it caused, now everybody knows it and you'll get less money from the bookies'

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    That's because we want to believe, pangtongfan. Quoting the movie... all right We want to believe

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    Quote Originally Posted by pangtongfan View Post
    Well I do feel sorry for any Kostner or Kim fans (for the record I am not even a fan of either one, especialy Kim, so their winning wouldnt have bothered me other than the farcial scoring injustice sense anyway) who were so charmingly naive and clueless to actually be holding out any hope for a win for their favorite if they actually saw the judging panel that was drawn for the ladies LP. At the very least they should have drowned their sorrows in a few beers before the womens event, and just held out hope for one of them getting a bronze medal. Then be elated with joy when Julia's unexpectedly poor performance allowed them to salvage 2 of the medals behind the pre arranged Russian victor. Needless to say a clean Julia would have crushed Kim and Kostner at these Games too (and a clean Leonova had the Russian had a 3rd spot to enter).
    Who told you I am a fan of Costner or Kim?

    Nooo, that's much worse. I used to be a fan of CoP

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    Quote Originally Posted by pangtongfan View Post
    Wow, that is terrible. I am glad you were atleast cured of that.
    Oh yes. Quoting A Clockwork Orange movie, I was cured alright

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    Quote Originally Posted by pangtongfan View Post
    That is ok. I bet on tons of sports. I bet on Federer to win Wimbledon at 1-7 odds the other day and I like my chances on that too.
    Hah, really? Federer just lost Indian Wells to Djokovic. Lost to Nadal at the Aussie Open in straight sets. He hasn't even made the final in his past 6 Grand Slams let alone win. Was ousted in the 2nd Round of Wimbledon last year. When he won Wimbledon 2 years ago, it was his only grand slam win (and only his 2nd final appearance) in his past 16 grand slams. Although I suppose it's your money and you're free to lose it however you like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post

    Although I suppose it's your money and you're free to lose it however you like.
    There's always figure skating

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anna K. View Post
    There's always figure skating
    No, but you see, pangtongfan won $8000! Just like he won $50,000 at last year's Worlds when he bet 50-1 odds that Ten would be on the podium. Unfortunately, he lost a lot of that when he incorrectly predicted W/P would win a GP event, or that V/T would win every event this year.

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    ^
    Sorry, I didn't know you're old friends

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anna K. View Post
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    Sorry, I didn't know you're old friends
    Oh, pangtongfan and I are the oldest of friends.

    Though I'm pretty sure he's much older (even if he doesn't always act like it).

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    Quote Originally Posted by pangtongfan View Post
    He barely lost to Djokovic on super slow hard courts, which is in fact a great result for Federer. You really think he is going to lose to him on GRASS where Djokovic sucks majorly (well I mean in a relative sense, I know he won a Wimbledon title in his all time career year in 2011 but grass is by far his worst surface vs slow hard courts which is his absolute best) if they played tommorow. Had they played that same match on grass, Djokovic would win 10 games in a best of 5 max. The last time they played on grass Djokovic lost quite comfortably (2012 Wimbledon semis) and that was at a point in time on a slow hard court (note I said slow, not fast) Djokovic would have spanked Federer silly. Djokovic btw is the biggest bettors sucker there is. He is labelled the "favorite" for 3 or 4 of the 4 slams every year despite that he has only once won more than 1 slam in a year. He is even anually picked as the favorite for Wimbledon on a surface he is by far the least skilled of the top players. Even this year his odds are set at 1-2 to win Wimbledon, quite a joke.
    FYI, the last grass court title - and we're talking ATP - that Federer won was June 2013... against Mikhail Youzhny. Prior to that Federer's last grass title was, you guessed it, Wimbledon 2012. We all know he's a grass specialist but

    And while I agree that Djokovic is over-rated, and not one of my favourite players, his last 4 Wimbledon appearances have been F, SF, W, SF... compared to Federer: 2R, W, QF, QF.

    I'm not saying Djokovic is guaranteed to beat Federer should they meet, and obviously you can't ever count out Federer on grass with it being his best surface, but I would put money on Nadal or Murray (and yes, Djokovic) to win before I even laid a cent on Federer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pangtongfan View Post
    The other thing to remember about Nadal is he has had years of chronic knee problems. That is probably why he sucks on grass these days. The low bends you need on grass are just too painful for him. So he will probably never recover his badly lost (since 2011) grass form, even if the often clueless bookies still havent clued in to this. Now if he could hire Alla Shekhovtseva and Yuri Balkov to act as chair umpire and line judge, I am sure he could and would win another Wimbledon, but sadly for him I doubt that will be the case anytime soon.

    I'm anticipating a Djokovic/Murray final. Federer might sneak by one of them into the final. Murray, while slumping a bit as of late, has a better game than Federer at this point. Federer's speed and even his groundstrokes are not what they used to be.

    As for Federer not getting a cakewalk in 2012 compared to Djokovic in 2011, let's compare:

    Federer in 2012 Wimbledon:
    - was #3 seed
    - 16 GS wins at that point, 6 Wimbledon
    - beat the #1 seed at some point
    - seeds faced en route to the final: #26 & #29
    - won the final against #4 seed (Andy Murray, who had only been in 4 GS finals and had yet to win a Grand Slam)

    Djokovic in 2011:
    - was the #2 seed
    - 2 GS wins at that point, 0 Wimbledon
    - beat the #1 seed at some point
    - seeds faced en route to the final: #12, #19, #31
    - won the final against #1 seed (Rafael Nadal, 10-time Grand Slam champion at that point, 2-time Wimbledon winner)

    I suppose you think Federer's 2009 French Open win wasn't a cake walk either.

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    I do agree that Federer has better odds than 1-7, and Djokovic shouldn't be 1-2, but I'd give Murray or Djokovic a better bet. Of course Wawrinka as #3 makes it complicated, but he's never done well at Wimbledon, so I'm not expecting big things.

    Anyways, back to your regularly scheduled thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by surimi View Post
    As far as I am concerned, Adelina interpreted her music in an eye-pleasing, cheerful, lively way, and I found her movements fitting the theme. She skated with an energy and speed I don't recall from Kostner and Kim, for all their flowing. I really liked her take on the theme, and had no issue with her winning. I guess I don't belong to the "most of us" you mention.
    Sotnikova did not execute planned jumps and she is not polished skater like yuna, carolina and mao. Sotnikova got the gold because of favoritisim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fruitbasket View Post
    and she is not polished skater like yuna, carolina and mao. Sotnikova got the gold because of favoritisim.
    Nothing but your impression, and of those who think like you; and honestly, I don't care how many of those there are. For me, Sotnikova delivered a great performance, I liked her better than Kim, and in my eyes she's a legit winner. Full stop.

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