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    Yuna is an alien from outer space whose real parents beamed her to Earth when she was a baby. She spent her toddlers years bounding on rooftops. She only hides her true powers from the rest of us and pretends to practice. That's why she was able to waltz in and skate nearly perfectly and snag the silver medal without really trying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Layfan View Post
    Yuna is an alien from outer space whose real parents beamed her to Earth when she was a baby. She spent her toddlers years bounding on rooftops. She only hides her true powers from the rest of us and pretends to practice. That's why she was able to waltz in and skate nearly perfectly and snag the silver medal without really trying.
    She stuck in Vancouver era. Only 6 triples, boring spins, nothing new. WTH? It's not a beauty pageant, this is sport.

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    Yuna's 'doesn't care what colour' comment is aimed at playing down expectations. It does not mean she DOESN'T CARE whether it's gold or silver or none. It also does not mean that since she has a gold, she is happy to settle for less. No one spends so much time training for the Olympics for fun.

    As for skating 'tight', what the hell does it mean? What seems to be tight to you does not mean anything to me.

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    I just hate people accusing people of not trying. It's just so low to downplay someone's effort. Of course it's hard to return to the top level after a year of break.

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    Quote Originally Posted by verysmuchso View Post
    This is really sad. From Thursday's event, both Carolina and Mao come away with a feel-good story, finally putting out a clean skate to garner the recognition that has long eluded her (Caro) and displaying the heart of a champion by bravely coming back from 16th place (Mao). But for Yuna, oh Yuna, only the backlash of having been robbed her gold medal. Was she riding her past laurels? Is she no longer the 2010 Yuna? Boy, wasn't she a little flat? The list goes on and on. Just to justify a very ostensibly controversial judging, just because it's more convenient to blame the victim than acknowledge a wrongdoing or the existence of chronic corruption. Do you, in your heart, believe that Yuna won this event despite this judging? Or do you believe she was bested by someone with a better ability? You have to make up your mind and stand by your convictions. Don't let your inner hyena bare its fangs.
    I have no words. That's exactly what's happening with half of the newspapers right now. The other half are claiming that it was an outrage, but the other keep saying, Nah, her technical score wasn't high enough compared to Adelina.

    Oh my gawd. Screw these people. Except that those technical scores they keep quoting included GOEs, given by the judges. At the BV, combined SP and FP, the difference between Yuna and Adelina were less than 4 points. Adelina's TES, including the 3 GOEs, makes it look like she did so much more, but the base difference was like 4. Plus her botched landing should have knocked it off to around 3.

    And Yuna should've been more than easily able to cross that 3 points. If Yuna has gotten the GOEs from just last year, that would've been more than enough to overtake Adelina. If they gave her and Adelina exactly same amount of GOE (which is already outrageous), all Yuna had to do was score 3 points higher in PCS, which she more than deserves.

    But the generic public have no idea. The half of the newspapers are saying this is totally okay and the judging was totally correct, insisting that while Yuna looks so much better on ice, Adelina has just so much tech score on Yuna so she totally deserves to win. Plus, hey, they gave Yuna a bit more PCS, right? So we're totally recognizing that Yuna is a better skater. Right, you gave her 0.08. more. But they don't mention that at all. They keep harping on how much connection Adelina had with the general public, and how much tech scores she has against Yuna.

    And Yuna was flat. She wasn't the same as 2010. She didn't connect with the crowd. So it's all her damn fault for not attacking the program right.

    Even last night I didn't realize this was how they were going to spin the story. I was an idiot. I can't believe it. Just reading some of these uninformed opinions disguising as experts make my blood boil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vegarin View Post
    I have no words. That's exactly what's happening with half of the newspapers right now. The other half are claiming that it was an outrage, but the other keep saying, Nah, her technical score wasn't high enough compared to Adelina.

    Oh my gawd. Screw these people. Except that those technical scores they keep quoting included GOEs, given by the judges. At the BV, combined SP and FP, the difference between Yuna and Adelina were less than 4 points. Adelina's TES, including the 3 GOEs, makes it look like she did so much more, but the base difference was like 4. Plus her botched landing should have knocked it off to around 3.

    And Yuna should've been more than easily able to cross that 3 points. If Yuna has gotten the GOEs from just last year, that would've been more than enough to overtake Adelina. If they gave her and Adelina exactly same amount of GOE (which is already outrageous), all Yuna had to do was score 3 points higher in PCS, which she more than deserves.

    But the generic public have no idea. The half of the newspapers are saying this is totally okay and the judging was totally correct, insisting that while Yuna looks so much better on ice, Adelina has just so much tech score on Yuna so she totally deserves to win. Plus, hey, they gave Yuna a bit more PCS, right? So we're totally recognizing that Yuna is a better skater. Right, you gave her 0.08. more. But they don't mention that at all. They keep harping on how much connection Adelina had with the general public, and how much tech scores she has against Yuna.

    And Yuna was flat. She wasn't the same as 2010. She didn't connect with the crowd. So it's all her damn fault for not attacking the program right.

    Even last night I didn't realize this was how they were going to spin the story. I was an idiot. I can't believe it. Just reading some of these uninformed opinions disguising as experts make my blood boil.
    The backlash surprised many, now they are worried if a scandal erupts, it will damage the sport. So they think they are doing a good thing to sweep everything under the rug, but then the cheating will just go on and on and snowball.

    The "storyline" and "explanations" are all being made up out of thin air to justify corruption. That's all that's going on here, and they are counting on the public to just accept their opinions and be unable to understand the results.

    But anyone who knows figure skating knows EXACTLY what happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vegarin View Post
    I have no words. That's exactly what's happening with half of the newspapers right now. The other half are claiming that it was an outrage, but the other keep saying, Nah, her technical score wasn't high enough compared to Adelina.

    Oh my gawd. Screw these people. Except that those technical scores they keep quoting included GOEs, given by the judges. At the BV, combined SP and FP, the difference between Yuna and Adelina were less than 4 points. Adelina's TES, including the 3 GOEs, makes it look like she did so much more, but the base difference was like 4. Plus her botched landing should have knocked it off to around 3.

    And Yuna should've been more than easily able to cross that 3 points. If Yuna has gotten the GOEs from just last year, that would've been more than enough to overtake Adelina. If they gave her and Adelina exactly same amount of GOE (which is already outrageous), all Yuna had to do was score 3 points higher in PCS, which she more than deserves.

    But the generic public have no idea. The half of the newspapers are saying this is totally okay and the judging was totally correct, insisting that while Yuna looks so much better on ice, Adelina has just so much tech score on Yuna so she totally deserves to win. Plus, hey, they gave Yuna a bit more PCS, right? So we're totally recognizing that Yuna is a better skater. Right, you gave her 0.08. more. But they don't mention that at all. They keep harping on how much connection Adelina had with the general public, and how much tech scores she has against Yuna.

    And Yuna was flat. She wasn't the same as 2010. She didn't connect with the crowd. So it's all her damn fault for not attacking the program right.

    Even last night I didn't realize this was how they were going to spin the story. I was an idiot. I can't believe it. Just reading some of these uninformed opinions disguising as experts make my blood boil.
    The near unanimous "shocked" reactions on GS, FSU, and ONTD, in addition to multiple commentators and skaters themselves speaks volumes. Just go through the threads and you'll see how everyone is going "***" over the scores.

    I'm appalled that people are resorting to ad hominem attacks of everyone who questions Sotnikova's win as an "uber", and or chalking it up to "Adelina had one more jump!"

    What we basically saw was Russia blatantly inflate the scores of its own athletes so they could medal, right in front of everyone's faces. I'm so disappointed and disheartened by both 1) the score rigging, and 2) the whitewashing of what happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue_ice View Post
    Why she even came there? Unexpressive, boring face that showed indifference. I'm glad she is second, because she deserved it.
    Seriously. Stop. Stop.

    You guys won, all right? You guys really screwed the veteran skaters over properly, and it was so amazingly well executed that we're in awe. So please, go away and leave Yuna alone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    Yu Na's 3L wouldn't have made a difference. The gold was Adelina's when she ended her program.

    If Mao went clean in the SP and landed everything in the FS, she would have won. She was 26 points behind Sotnikova. A clean SP would have at least scored 75 points for her (so, 20 points higher), and no URs in her FS would have scored over 4 points higher, even with the ridiculously low PCS compared to Sotnikova.
    No, Mao would not win.

    The judges were nice to her in the LP because they know she has no shot.
    They felt bad for her after the SP.

    They didn't even call her out for the 3A

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    Are you ******* kidding me? Kim didn't really try?

    Anyway, replacing the 2A with the 3Lo, she would still lose. BV goes up by 1.7. Hardly any GOE gain for your worst element compare to the 2A.

    Same PCS. Same GOE on jumps. (so laughable)
    Less points on steps. (wth!)
    Less points on spins. (ok, maybe justifiable)

    Really, there's no way she can win even with 7 triples. And this is why it's so ****** up.

    7 triples Caro and 7 triples Kim are not worth the same as 7 triples Adelina (flutzing and all)
    Mao would need a clean SP, and clean LP without dubious UR calls to even come close. Mao's 3T was more rotated than Adelina's 3T, but if you aren't Russian, they will take you down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlattFan View Post
    Are you ******* kidding me? Kim didn't really try?

    Anyway, replacing the 2A with the 3Lo, she would still lose. BV goes up by 1.7. Hardly any GOE gain for your worst element compare to the 2A.

    Same PCS. Same GOE on jumps. (so laughable)
    Less points on steps. (wth!)
    Less points on spins. (ok, maybe justifiable)

    Really, there's no way she can win even with 7 triples. And this is why it's so ****** up.

    7 triples Caro and 7 triples Kim are not worth the same as 7 triples Adelina (flutzing and all)
    Mao would need a clean SP, and clean LP without dubious UR calls to even come close. Mao's 3T was more rotated than Adelina's 3T, but if you aren't Russian, they will take you down.
    God, I need Caro and Mao to take them all down. ALL OF THEM.

    I wouldn't have been this furious if this was just the judging and screwing with Yuna's scores. They're actually trying to sell that it's all her fault. Disgusting.

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    Yes it's shameful how the former skaters are behaving. They must know the cheating happened. So to justify it, they say shameful things about Yuna how she didn't have any guts, or she didn't try hard enough, or she was flat, just make up more lies to justify cheating. One deceit becomes a web of lies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by usethis2 View Post
    That is a ridiculous charge if you even have a snippet of knowledge on what it takes to compete at that level in this sport. It is one of the reasons why people (including myself) doubted Ms. Kim at the 2013 worlds. This sport is merciless and cruel. You cannot compete at this level without motivation. Ms. Kim's responses to the public have always been "political' in nature, and we saw how much skating matters to her both in Vancouver and again in Sochi.

    Delivering clean programs is every skater's goal in every competition. I wouldn't expect anything more or less from a skater. And that was the only "politically correct" answer Kim could have given, when she was asked about this and that. (Would you expect her to speak of her entitlement or something?)
    I just wrote this based on her interview. She said exactly that she did not have the same motivation she had in Vancouver and she didn't really care about the placement at Sochi.

    But I do also agree with other posters that she couldn't have won anyways. But Yuna has always made it hard for the judges to even fix the result so far from being obviously better, and clearly this year not enough to overcome judges' power :(

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    Quote Originally Posted by vegarin View Post
    She didn't connect with the crowd.
    Nobody except Russian skaters connected with that crowd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blades of Passion View Post
    Nobody except Russian skaters connected with that crowd.
    I know, right? But apparently that's what put Adelina over Yuna.



    **** these *******
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