How Sotnikova beat Kim - Move by Move

Del · Feb 23, 2014

What people can't seem to shake is that Sotnikova was not perfect yet she didn't get marked down.

usethis2 · Feb 23, 2014

Lizameflo said:
I thought the video would be useful but it turned out selective and biased.

Flutzing looks 100% clear to me in that 3Lz+3T combo. Also it looks to me Kim skated much faster than Adelina, but I'll leave that to those who were in the Arena.

whatif · Feb 23, 2014

bekalc said:
Yu na herself admitted that she made a mistake in her footwork that cost her level. Do you want me to post a link? So when she herself admits this, why can't you accept that it may very well be true.:scowl: She's also missed some levels on spins all season long.

Just forget it. Let them vent. This board doing great job and public service by turning into a therapy session for sour losers and keeping them off the streets. The results are in and nobody will change that. Thank god.

Del · Feb 23, 2014

I don't know how Sotnikova beat Asada in the Long. That's the greatest outrage! I'm a Kim fan but nobody's going to explain that one except the devil. And I'm not going to listen to the devil.

Moment · Feb 23, 2014

Figure skating will soon be a flop sport like rhythmic gymnastics due to its GOE and PCS manipulation. The last legend the sport will never have, Yuna Kim, won once again in the most triumphant manner.

leafygreens · Feb 23, 2014

volk said:
Basically, Kim played it safe technically and was tentative artistically.

Blatantly false. People are making up this statement to try and compare Adelina/Yuna to Tara/Michelle, and there IS NO COMPARISON. Yuna is not tentative. Her form is among the greatest in history. She performed perfectly and Adelina did not.

Ophelia · Feb 23, 2014

^I do agree that Kim looked zoned out whilst skating her LP. She's been over skating post-Vancouver. That being said, the "technical win" has been debunked again, and again, and again, and again.

Some posters have selective reading skills.

bekalc · Feb 23, 2014

lilahozi said:
^I do agree that Kim looked zoned out whilst skating her LP. She's been over skating post-Vancouver. That being said, the "technical win" has been debunked again, and again, and again, and again.

Some posters have selective reading skills.

No it hasn't. You just don't want to hear it.

yunasashafan · Feb 23, 2014

bekalc said:
No it hasn't. You just don't want to hear it.

Well, arguments have been presented, and one could say that some do not want to hear them. Here is my take from earlier in this thread:

yunasashafan said:
Re-posting from another thread, but this is relevant here also:

I have been trying to stay out of this because I am a huge fan of Yuna (obviously) and Adelina. But I have to say that there were multiple errors that were committed by the tech panel. First, the step squence levels for Yuna (and Carolina for that matter) were not called properly. Yuna's LP step sequence was much better than Adelina's. If that was a level 3 then Adelina's was as well. Second, triple toe at the end of Adelina's 3Lz-3T was not called under-rotated when it should have been. Third, the wrong edge on Adelina's Lutz was not called, and fourth, the double at the end of Adelina's 3 jump combination was VERY obviously downgradable and it wasn't. These combined, with impact on GOE are worth, at least, 5 points. Add to that (AT LEAST) a couple of extra points in PCS for Yuna for each program and there you go! Almost the same point difference but in opposite order.

ETA and if we're going to use the 'Andelina landed more triples' argument then consider this: Mao landed more triples than Adelina, with no obvious errors (unlike Adelina) and still ended behind her. And no, her combinations were not under-rotated and her components should have been ahead of Adelina's.

usethis2 · Feb 23, 2014

Also from another thread:

http://mydearkorea.blogspot.ca/2014/02/sochi-figure-skating-scandal.html

Flutz in full display. :biggrin:

Tech panel should explain step sequences.

Anna K. · Feb 23, 2014

usethis2 said:
Also from another thread:

http://mydearkorea.blogspot.ca/2014/02/sochi-figure-skating-scandal.html

Flutz in full display. Tech panel should explain step sequences.

This article says it was a flip:
http://msn.foxsports.com/olympics/story/how-adelina-sotnikova-won-gold1-022014
How to know if it was originally meant to be lutz?

P.S. Oops, I posted this before I made sure which combo you're talking about... It happens. Just ignore this!

aa456 · Feb 23, 2014

Anna K. said:
This article says it was a flip:
http://msn.foxsports.com/olympics/story/how-adelina-sotnikova-won-gold1-022014
How to know if it was originally meant to be lutz?

The article from fox said she did a triple lutz triple toe and the gif in the first thread shows the same (though it was a flutz). Not exactly sure what you meant. Maybe I'm missing something..

Anna K. · Feb 23, 2014

aa456 said:
The article from fox said she did a triple lutz triple toe and the gif in the first thread shows the same (though it was a flutz). Not exactly sure what you meant. Maybe I'm missing something..

It's me who missed something: I thought you were talking about her second combo where she had the mistake. Sorry, you obviously meant the first!

usethis2 · Feb 23, 2014

Correctly judged, Adelina should be barely over 130 for her FS and 65 for her SP. But wait.. that's Yulia's scores.. (actually Yulia received over 200 :rolleye:

)

Nadya · Mar 9, 2014

YunaBliss said:
No scoring gymnastics can cover up the truth.

92% of the international public think Yuna was the winner, as evidenced by ESPN Poll. When there is that kind of public consensus... the notion that the judging panel scored this correctly cannot hold water.

ESPN readership doesn't measure "international public." 92% of international public has no idea who Kim, Sotnikova or Kostner is.

drivingmissdaisy · Mar 9, 2014

yunasashafan said:
Well, arguments have been presented, and one could say that some do not want to hear them. Here is my take from earlier in this thread:

The double at the end of the 3-2-2 was overrotated.

drivingmissdaisy · Mar 9, 2014

usethis2 said:
Correctly judged, Adelina should be barely over 130 for her FS and 65 for her SP. But wait.. that's Yulia's scores.. (actually Yulia received over 200 )

I don't think more than one judge scored her under 140. That shows how biased you are.

drivingmissdaisy · Mar 9, 2014

leafygreens said:
Blatantly false. People are making up this statement to try and compare Adelina/Yuna to Tara/Michelle, and there IS NO COMPARISON. Yuna is not tentative. Her form is among the greatest in history. She performed perfectly and Adelina did not.

How is it blatantly false that someone's opinion is that Yuna was tentative in Sochi? Many many people believe she lacked spark, including the NBC commentators.

cooper · Mar 9, 2014

Nadya said:
ESPN readership doesn't measure "international public." 92% of international public has no idea who Kim, Sotnikova or Kostner is.

every poll doesn't represent anything.. the only true representative about this is that in korea yuna was robbed and in russia adelina won fair and square..

drivingmissdaisy said:
How is it blatantly false that someone's opinion is that Yuna was tentative in Sochi? Many many people believe she lacked spark, including the NBC commentators.

and yet there other commentators said that yuna should have won..

drivingmissdaisy · Mar 10, 2014

cooper said:
and yet there other commentators said that yuna should have won..

Exactly. So neither opinion is "blatantly false"

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