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    It reallyis a difficult combo even if it looks awwkward. I thought Joannie did it too. It really is amazing though when you think a triple lutz loop triple salchow combo or even triple toe loop triple salchow although I think it would be easier usually to do a triple salchow triple toe combo instead and save the three jump combo.

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    I thought I was the only one who saw it as a mistake xD

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    It looks like a step-out jump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarneAsada View Post
    It would be interesting to see multirevolution jumps used as setups for the 3S. Like a 2(one-foot)Axel-3S combination. I'd love to see that.
    It was actually done frequently and quite beautifully by Jill Trenary; should be on YouTube.

    I think the problem with some of today's .5 loop combos is that the skater just steps into it instead of jumping it with some height and flow. There should be a definite jump-jump-jump cadence.

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    I would like to see someone do a full loop in this combo instead of doing the half loop. That would be tricky.

    It is this combo and the 2A sequence that i dont fully like- if they are not done confidently, they dort of look like mistakes.
    (on a side note what are peoples opinions on skaters who do 3T+2A instead of the more talked about 2A+3T?)

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    Actually, maybe it's just because it's always a Salchow these days that I don't like it.

    Oh, for the days when Plushy and Yags pushed themselves and the sport so far that Plushy threw in a 3A-half loop-3F combo...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hanmgse View Post
    I thought I was the only one who saw it as a mistake xD
    Same here

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    Well if you are going to land on your left foot I guess it' called half loop so they can't do a loop and then a salchow or flip

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    I thought Tara Lipinski's half loop combos flowed pretty well since she did the 1/2 loop so quickly. It was sort of springy.

    I think one of the reasons skaters often have "choppier" looking 1/2 loops is that you don't want too much height on the 1/2 loop (more about quickness and saving energy/momentum for the last jump), and you really need to land with your free leg behind your body. So for a Salchow entry on the third jump there's a pause while they swing in the free leg. But with a flip entry it would look a lot smoother since the toe would come down in that position pretty much.

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    The 'amount/length of delay' either before or after the ½Lo usually is correlated to how strong (or not) the skater 'checked' the landing of the previous jump. The stronger the 'check', the more the rotation is stopped/slowed; and consequently the longer the delay needed to 'restart' the rotation (by means of the shoulders and/or the hips/free leg).

    Abnormally long delays can occur before the ½Lo, or after the ½Lo; but rarely occur in both spots.

    For example: 3F + ½Lo + 3S
    • If too strong a check on the landing of the 3F, then will be a long delay to 'restart' the rotation before the ½Lo + 3S portion.
    • If too strong a check after the landing of the ½Lo, then will be a long delay to 'restart' the rotation for the 3S.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GF2445 View Post
    I would like to see someone do a full loop in this combo instead of doing the half loop. That would be tricky.

    It is this combo and the 2A sequence that i dont fully like- if they are not done confidently, they dort of look like mistakes.
    (on a side note what are peoples opinions on skaters who do 3T+2A instead of the more talked about 2A+3T?)
    That would not be 'tricky', that would be impossible. All listed jumps land on the outside edge. If a skater want to have the last jump in the combination Salchow or flip, for those jumps the skater needs to be on the inside edge; that's why the skater does the half loop in between. Half look is a full revolution jump which lands on the inside edge, just ready to add the Salchow or flip. If someone did just whatever jump+ normal single loop, then the skater would exit the single loop on the outside edge and therefore would not be able to have the last jump in the combination Salchow or Flip, they would only be able to do loop or toe loop.


    Re: 3T+2A instead of the more talked about 2A+3T, why would anyone want to do 3T+2A when 2A+3T brings more points? If you do 3T, you end up on back outside edge, so get forward to do the 2A would need a hop between those two jumps, which means that it would be a jump sequence and not jump combination and it would have value of only 80% of the jump value base. Whereas 2A+3T is a combination so it has the full value.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GF2445 View Post
    ...on a side note what are peoples opinions on skaters who do 3T+2A instead of the more talked about 2A+3T?
    The former is an 'easier' jump sequence; the latter a jump combination (...and worth more I believe, although I'm not sure by how much).

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    Quote Originally Posted by hanca View Post
    Re: 3T+2A instead of the more talked about 2A+3T, why would anyone want to do 3T+2A when 2A+3T brings more points? If you do 3T, you end up on back outside edge, so get forward to do the 2A would need a hop between those two jumps, which means that it would be a jump sequence and not jump combination and it would have value of only 80% of the jump value base. Whereas 2A+3T is a combination so it has the full value.
    Thanks hanca! I was typing my last post before you posted that the "jump sequence ...[has a] value of only 80% of the jump value base."

    The only thing I would add to your 3T + 2A sequence explanation is there is NO "need [for] a hop between those two jumps", as the skater can simply land the 3T and step forward into the 2A take-off (...still qualifies as a step sequence because of the 'step' forward before the 2nd jump).

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    Quote Originally Posted by hanca View Post
    That would not be 'tricky', that would be impossible. All listed jumps land on the outside edge. If a skater want to have the last jump in the combination Salchow or flip, for those jumps the skater needs to be on the inside edge; that's why the skater does the half loop in between. Half look is a full revolution jump which lands on the inside edge, just ready to add the Salchow or flip. If someone did just whatever jump+ normal single loop, then the skater would exit the single loop on the outside edge and therefore would not be able to have the last jump in the combination Salchow or Flip, they would only be able to do loop or toe loop.

    Exactly you got it
    Re: 3T+2A instead of the more talked about 2A+3T, why would anyone want to do 3T+2A when 2A+3T brings more points? If you do 3T, you end up on back outside edge, so get forward to do the 2A would need a hop between those two jumps, which means that it would be a jump sequence and not jump combination and it would have value of only 80% of the jump value base. Whereas 2A+3T is a combination so it has the full value.
    Exactly you got it - the mechanics of the edge jump or salchow causes or needs half loop not full.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sowcow View Post
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    The former is an 'easier' jump sequence; the latter a jump combination (...and worth more I believe, although I'm not sure by how much).
    20 percent more; as the sequence is worth 80percent of the full value.

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