To be fair, Plushenko's amazing 3axel/half loop/3flip was really a 3axel/half loop/3LIP. Still impressive, nonetheless.
In terms of ladies who I thought do half loop sequences/combinations well:
Their half loops looked like actual jumps, done purposefully.
Half Loops that look like mistakes, and are sometimes not fully rotated:
At the rink. Again.
That's not physically possible as a loop lands on a back outside edge and the 1/2 Lo (+1Lo in Senior level combos) lands on a back inside edge
Originally Posted by GF2445
Surya Bonaly's 3toe-half loop-3sal combo always looked good.
Last edited by cmk; 03-04-2014 at 12:55 AM.
3t-half loop-3sal may not look aesthetically pleasing, but it does add more difficulty than if the 2 triples were executed separately. It gives skaters an opportunity for more choreography and other elements.
3-3s are always exciting to watch, 4-3s are too scary. 4-3s have ruined too many hips.
I don't think I have ever seen this combo live on TV. Only saw a couple times on YouTube.
Can you do this under COP?
Of course. Max and Jason are just two of the Americans doing it now. Both do 3Lz-half loop-3S.
Originally Posted by usethis2
Uh, I don't think Plushy is the paradigm when it comes to maximizing points from his jumping passes, lol.
Originally Posted by karne
I also agree that the 1/2 loop looks awkward, and Jason Brown and Chan are the only ones that pull it off.
It's especially awkward when the women do it... especially some of them who have such a break into it.
Every time I hear Scott Hamilton yelling "And a 3S WITH NO SPEED!!!!"
I find it baffling from a logistical point of view because if you notice, a lot of these skaters who have a triple+1Lo+3S also perform a 2A on its own. They could conceivably train a triple+2Lo+2Lo like Mao Asada or Kanako Murakami do and do the salchow on its own, which is presumably much easier, and lose a mere 0.2 points. (2A+1Lo = 3.8 points; 2Lo+2Lo = 3.6 points; the 3S and random triple remains the same in both situations). Furthermore, the positive GOE that you'd get would increase from a factor of 0.7 for the triple+1Lo+3S and 0.5 for the solo 2A to 0.7 for both the triple+2Lo+2Lo and solo 3S.
Tl;dr - it's smarter to do 2 double loops than train a half loop-salchow combination.
I think people use the harder triple - 1lo - 3Sal rather then the XX - 2 lo - 2 lo because it is harder - and helps with PCS scores etc. I wish they wouldn't consider it a 3 jump combo though, since the 1/2 loop is really only there to reset the take off edge for the sal or flip.
Anyone know why it's called a 1/2 loop when it does have a full revolution?
I do wish CoP would change the way it scores combos and sequences. Each should get it's own value, not just the total of the two jumps. A 3lz - 3T combo and a solo 3T should not be worth the same as a 3T x 3T and solo 3Lz
Tripping on the Podium
For example, check out this beautiful (1-foot)A+3S opening jump combination by Jill Trenary (from her entertaining "These Boots are made for Walkin'" program).
Originally Posted by Moxiejan
IS it possible then to do a lutz if u land on a outside edge in jumps?? I don't understand these at all...
Originally Posted by hanca
Tripping on the Podium
Maybe it was mistakenly named the "½ loop" when it was actually meant to be the "1-2 loop" (short for "take off from foot #1, and land on foot #2 loop"). HeHe
Originally Posted by ivy
My (real) guess is they simply named it the ½-loop for reasons of brevity (... because despite being descriptively correct, "loop landed on the opposite foot" or "opposite landing foot loop" are waaaaay to unwieldy to use as the jump name!?!)
I agree! Some sort of point value 'bonus' for jump combinations (like a 10% or 20% bonus); with full (100%) point values awarded for jumps done in sequence (instead of the 80% value currently awarded to jump sequences).
Originally Posted by ivy
Yes! She soared on the 1/2 loop, unlike Maria B who literally looked like she tripped out of hers.
Originally Posted by cmk
There is no other way to perform a salchow or a flip in combination.
Originally Posted by Sam-Skwantch
Originally Posted by supsu
Although you land on the outside edge, you land on the other leg than the one you need to be for Lutz. So if you really, really wanted to add Lutz in combination (without extra steps/hops or turns between the jumps) it would be possible in theory, if you suddenly did the Lutz rotating the other direction than the previous jump. In reality I have never seen anyone doing it even with single jumps. Usually skaters rotate only in one direction. But it can't be impossible. Some skaters can spin in both directions, so why they couldn't learn jump in both directions if it was somehow appreciated with points?