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    Quote Originally Posted by R.D. View Post
    Didn't we say this about Czisny in 2011? And she wanted to up her game, try to step into that elite ring...and the result: 2 hip surgeries in less than a year...

    It catches up to you....eventually.

    Not saying Wagner WILL get hurt, but if she doesn't (AND she keeps up her skills/improves), she'll have beaten the odds. JMO, YMMV.
    Difference is that Czisny NEVER was even close to a 3-3 even in her peak in 2011.

    Yes Ashley's 3F-3T is 3F-3T<, but she can still can do the jump. I don't see her getting injured because she's trying to get it closer to that 1/4 standard.

    You (not you RD, but just the general public) may hate the fact that Carolina Kostner was able to win medals with stripped down jump content, but it was clear that taking that slow-and-steady approach proved beneficial for her and she ultimately was able to do the 3T-3T and 3F-3T eventually.

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    Kostner could definitely be used as a role model/inspiration for Wagner moving forward...

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    Quote Originally Posted by R.D. View Post
    Kostner could definitely be used as a role model/inspiration for Wagner moving forward...
    Kostner was helped a lot by her artistic ability, and a country with a small talent pool, Wagner doesn't have either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amei View Post
    Kostner was helped a lot by her artistic ability, and a country with a small talent pool, Wagner doesn't have either.
    Of course. This is NOT to compare the two in ability, but simply to point out that if Kostner can improve in her mid-20s, theoretically, so can Wagner. Will it be easy? No. Is it likely? No. But is it impossible? .... No.

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    A lot will depend on how the other skaters develop and how Ashley develops. Based upon recent events, Ashley will have to make a major effort to not just maintain, but also improve her skills.

    While I don't know how Gracie and Polina will do over the next years, they have definitely been a breath of fresh air for US Ladies - solid skills and charisma. Gold needed to get her emotions under control to gain consistency and I think Frank has her on track considering her performances at both Nationals and Olympics. Polina is a bit more of a wild card as she still hasn't finished her growth period.

    Ashley has never excited me as a performer. She's definitely a fighter, but that doesn't always translate to memorable performances. While she's won 2 National titles, overall the US ladies have been very inconsistent due to various issues - imperfect skating skills, body changes, injuries. This was a factor in her comparative success. This does not mean that she did not deserve her titles - just that the field was weaker than typical for US ladies.

    so, I will wait along with everyone else to find out how the future develops. Regardless, I hope to see the US Ladies become more consistently competitive at the World level. Both the US and Russia have some promising developing talented skaters while China and Japan seem to be waning. I think the next 4 years will be much more exciting than the past 4.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R.D. View Post
    Of course. This is NOT to compare the two in ability, but simply to point out that if Kostner can improve in her mid-20s, theoretically, so can Wagner. Will it be easy? No. Is it likely? No. But is it impossible? .... No.
    I'm not really trying to compare the 2 but to point out Kostner was in a lot more favorable position then Wagner is.

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    I have to admire Ashley's fighting spirit and I hope when she does eventually retire, it's because she feels like she accomplished as much as she could, not because of injury or losing favor with US figure skating.

    My hope is that she will work on the basics in the off season and have better programs from the start. I'll be interested to see how she does in the upcoming season without the olympic pressure and with her personal issues (as someone mentioned above) a little more behind her. I don't necessarily see her sticking around all the way til 2018, but I think she'll go all out to make the world team in 2016 so she can skate on home turf.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SimplyAFan View Post
    I have to admire Ashley's fighting spirit and I hope when she does eventually retire, it's because she feels like she accomplished as much as she could, not because of injury or losing favor with US figure skating.

    My hope is that she will work on the basics in the off season and have better programs from the start. I'll be interested to see how she does in the upcoming season without the olympic pressure and with her personal issues (as someone mentioned above) a little more behind her. I don't necessarily see her sticking around all the way til 2018, but I think she'll go all out to make the world team in 2016 so she can skate on home turf.
    I like this!
    I don't think I realized her parents were splitting up, etc when I posted earlier. But I definitely think that before she had the very singular goal of going to the Olympics and she has. That's a lot of pressure to put on yourself. I look forward to seeing what she can achieve in a less turbulent year, and I'm crossing my fingers that she stays healthy so we can enjoy her skating for as long as she wants to stick around.


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    I think she has to win a medal at worlds this or next year if she is ever going to. And she has to gain some footing against Gold very soon, if she is even going to remain a serious rival of hers. I will leave it at that.

    I also predict the 2014 Nationals is her last "bye" inspite of placing to any world or olympic event. She will have to gain the required place at Nationals anytime in the future. Now Gold might get such a consideration in the future if she ever even needs it (unlikely she even will need it IMO).

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    Ashley can just try and see how she progresses next season. There is Gold,Edmunds and Amber Glenn who has 2 triples in her long program and she is only 14.She said that she will be moving up to Seniors next year.There will a lot of competition for next season.Ashley needs to work on her 3-3 and improve her spins.Ashley is the not the most talented but hard work and discipline can get you along ways.if the most talented would win Chris Bowman,Sasha Cohen and Nicole Bobeck would be Oly. champions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pangtongfan View Post
    I think she has to win a medal at worlds this or next year if she is ever going to.
    I think it has to be this year if it's going to happen. She won't face Yuna or Adelina, both of whom would likely (Yuna definitely) beat her. She will only face one Russian who is better than her, while next year she would face three. Both of the Americans can outjump her, and Akiko, Caro and Mao can beat her on PCS alone if they skate reasonably well. Next year might be slightly weaker with Caro, Mao, and Akiko likely gone, but again there will be three strong Russians and a few hungry Americans who can keep her off the World podium for good.

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    i hope wagner skates her best and hopefully she will be reward for it.. i appreciate her effort and determination to get better..

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    Quote Originally Posted by pangtongfan View Post
    I think she has to win a medal at worlds this or next year if she is ever going to. And she has to gain some footing against Gold very soon, if she is even going to remain a serious rival of hers. I will leave it at that.

    I also predict the 2014 Nationals is her last "bye" inspite of placing to any world or olympic event. She will have to gain the required place at Nationals anytime in the future. Now Gold might get such a consideration in the future if she ever even needs it (unlikely she even will need it IMO).
    I think so too. I don't see them making an exception for Wagner again unless she does something really noteworthy for once (i.e. winning a world medal).

    I think it has to be this year if it's going to happen. She won't face Yuna or Adelina, both of whom would likely (Yuna definitely) beat her. She will only face one Russian who is better than her, while next year she would face three. Both of the Americans can outjump her, and Akiko, Caro and Mao can beat her on PCS alone if they skate reasonably well. Next year might be slightly weaker with Caro, Mao, and Akiko likely gone, but again there will be three strong Russians and a few hungry Americans who can keep her off the World podium for good.
    I'll just be happy when that day arrives (US back on podium). Doesn't matter to me whether it is Wagner or someone else (Gold, most likely).

    I don't think it will be Wagner but then again, who saw Sotnikova over Lipnitskaya in Sochi? I guess you never know

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    If the scoring comes down from Mt. Olympus and levels out to what it was pre-Sochi, Ashley's outlook improves right away. Her score was perfectly aligned with her personal best.

    But if the scores of the top skaters aren't scaled back some, she starts out the new cycle with a much bigger task ahead of her.

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    I have a feeling we have already seen the best of Ashley Wagner.

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