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Thread: Analyzing Sotnikova and Kim's footwork in the FS

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    Quote Originally Posted by drivingmissdaisy View Post
    It's not. You continue to exaggerate and lie so I'm showing you posts in which people support some of the outcomes of Sot vs Caro and Sot vs Yuna.
    Do you really want me to copy and past the hundreds of posts that say otherwise? I'm glad you could find a couple for yourself, consider that a consolation prize.

    Heck, even some of the ones you found were followed up with posts by the same users who expressed outrage at Sot's score.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drivingmissdaisy View Post
    So you better not use it then.
    Mao got higher PCS in the SP, Julia higher PCS in the LP. Why do you think that is? Hint: check the start order.
    PCS marks reflect what is exhibited in the program presented, not how skilled the skater is outside the context of the program



    Your move?

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    Her "position evolved."
    It's ok to change your mind and its not neccasarily contradictory or insincere. The thing is a fair person is willing to concede certain points that they may have interpreted in one way but in hindsight perceive in another. Sticking your guns has merits as well but no more than the ability to adapt and accept a new take on an old situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drivingmissdaisy View Post
    It's so silly that someone who states an opinion can be considered dishonest.
    An opinion is consistent and unwavering. A lie depends on which way the wind blows, and is full of contradictions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melon View Post
    PCS marks reflect what is exhibited in the program presented, not how skilled the skater is outside the context of the program



    Your move?
    As much as I appreciate your obsession with me, it deflects from any meaningful discussion of why Adelina deserved to win, which is why I'm here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drivingmissdaisy View Post
    it deflects from any meaningful discussion of why Adelina deserved to win, which is why I'm here.
    I regret to inform you that you have yet to grace us with any meaningful discussion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ven View Post
    I regret to inform you that you have yet to grace us with any meaningful discussion.
    I regret to inform you that accusing 9 judges from all over the world are cheaters is not meaningful either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drivingmissdaisy View Post
    I regret to inform you that accusing 9 judges from all over the world are cheaters is not meaningful either.
    Don't exaggerate. It may have only been 4 or 7.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drivingmissdaisy View Post
    As much as I appreciate your obsession with me, it deflects from any meaningful discussion of why Adelina deserved to win, which is why I'm here.
    Honey, your obsession with Yuna and Yuna fans and my obsession with you is like comparing a light from a moon to a light from a firefly. FYI, you have yet to provide a meaningful discussion against everything BoP put out on this thread. And please stop making excuses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ven View Post
    Don't exaggerate. It may have only been 4 or 7.
    OK, so we agree that the judges who gave Sotnikova 2 or 3 9+ scores on PCS were honest? We can make some progress here if you agree with me

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melon View Post
    Honey, your obsession with Yuna and Yuna fans and my obsession with you is like comparing a light from a moon to a light from a firefly. FYI, you have yet to provide a meaningful discussion against everything BoP put out on this thread. And please stop making excuses.
    Here's is my basic view. Nothing I have seen convinces me that more than two, and certainly not seven or nine, of the judges would have any incentive to cheat. All nine gave Adelina her highest scores ever by a mile. That's really all that matters. Because of the judges' geographic diversity, I find it disingenuous to accuse so many of them of being cheaters. My OPINION is that the many Yuna fans don't like the result and are desperately trying to create a narrative that the outcome was determined based on dishonesty, ignoring the very important fact that the panel universally loved Adelina and represented a wide variety of countries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ven View Post
    *There are over 2 million on one petition. Even if 90% were Korean, that would still be over 200,000 people of other backgrounds.
    Try getting 200,000 people to care about the entire sport of figure skating, let alone one skater ... if you can.

    *Read all of the threads on GS. You will see many people from many backgrounds believe Sochi Ladies was rigged.

    *Read the live thread. You will see nearly without exception everyone mocked the competition as it happened.

    *The same thing happened in every live thread I followed on dozens of different forums on the internet.

    *Former skaters like Katerina Witt, Kurt Browning, Tim Wood, Dick Button, Gwendal Peizerat, Robin Cousins, and many others all said Yuna won.

    *Many current and former judges and officials gave interviews with the media and stated they believed Yuna and Carolina were better, and the results were corrupted.
    90% would be "most", would it not? Not just "most" but an overwhelming majority.
    And yet you say it is "false" to refer to 90% as "most".

    And yeah, I'm really going to go read all the threads, on all the forums where malcontents congregate to cry on each other's shoulders. What would that prove? Only that malcontents go to forums to whine loudly. Nothing more.

    There is no way to know how many are silent, because they don't see any scandal, don't want to deal with irrational fanatics, don't care, etc etc.

    Claiming that you speak for the majoirty, is just so much hot air.
    Just as hot and empty, and lacking in credibilty as anyone else's here.

    PS. Robin Cousins changed his tune after the live event. Not that any of their opinions are proof of anything, either way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YesWay View Post
    Robin Cousins changed his tune after the live event. Not that any of their opinions are proof of anything, either way.
    What did Robin Cousins say about the lady events, mind sharing me the links?
    Thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam-Skwantch View Post
    It's ok to change your mind and its not neccasarily contradictory or insincere. The thing is a fair person is willing to concede certain points that they may have interpreted in one way but in hindsight perceive in another. Sticking your guns has merits as well but no more than the ability to adapt and accept a new take on an old situation.
    I think it is literally true that Michelle's views evolved over the few days after the event. Of course this is not contradictory or insincere.

    By the way, Tara Lipinski and and Johnny Weir, commenting live, were quite subdued in the booth after Yuna's skate. Johnny said flat out, "I don't think that was enough." He might have meant "not enough considering the huge scores that Adelina put up." I would be curious to know if Johnny, too, came to a different opinion after reviewing and reflecting.

    Speaking for myself, I was not outraged in real time. Adelina skated her heart out. Only later, when the post-game analyses started coming in, did the balance start to tip in the other direction (for me). I think it is quite a defensible position to say that, yes, objectively speaking and in the cold sobriety of data like that provided by Blades of Passion on this thread, Yuna was robbed. But in the moment I didn't necessarily feel that way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YesWay View Post
    Not that any of their opinions are proof of anything, either way.
    What it proves is that there was a disagreement about who the winner should have been. People are trying to turn an honest disagreement into a scandal. Why isn't it ok that there are fans and skating experts who think Adelina should have won and others who think Yuna should have won without trying to discredit those who disagree?

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