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    Quote Originally Posted by sk8in View Post
    She is a laughing stock among people who know about skating.
    Like Elvis, Scott, Sandra, Tara, Johnny and Tatiana? Or just the people you agree with?

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    Quote Originally Posted by drivingmissdaisy View Post
    Like Elvis, Scott, Sandra, Tara, Johnny and Tatiana? Or just the people you agree with?
    There is a difference between fs pr reps saying "it was totally fair!" so as not to discredit the sport that they profit from, and anyone actually endorsing Sotnikova's skating. Everyone knows she does not have the skating skill of Caro, or Yuna---and it is debatable where she stands against the other top 5 ladies. The whole false "artist" vs "technician" dichotomy got started as a way to explain away how such an ugly skater as Sotnikova could have won by 5 points. Again, Sotnikova is a laughing stock. She will go down in history as the most controversial women's figure skating champ in history.

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    As requested, I have written down all of the movements in Yu-Na Kim's LP footwork sequence:

    1.) Toe step, counterclockwise
    2.) Back edge pull with free foot toepick push, clockwise
    3.) Mohawk, clockwise
    4.) Waltz hop, clockwise
    5.) Cross step, clockwise
    6.) Change of edge from inside to outside with free foot in quick ina position, counterclockwise
    7.) Change edge from outside to inside with free foot placed on ice
    8.) Rocker, clockwise
    9.) Bracket, clockwise
    10.) Counter, clockwise
    11.) Cross Roll, counterclockwise
    12.) Rocker, counterclockwise
    13). Change edge from outside to inside
    14.) Loop, counterclockwise
    15.) Full turn on ice while changing feet, counterclockwise
    16.) Toe steps, clockwise
    17.) Rocker, clockwise
    18.) Cross step, counterclockwise
    19.) Choctaw executed with a hop, clockwise
    20.) Twizzle, clockwise
    21.) Chasse, clockwise
    22.) Choctaw, clockwise + Choctaw, counterclockwise
    23.) Top hop, counterclockwise
    24.) Twizzle, counterclockwise (x2)
    25.) Rocker, counterclockwise
    26.) Edge change from inside to outside
    27.) Three turn, counterclockwise
    28.) Brief back inside two foot glide with back free foot mini-kick
    29.) Choctaw, clockwise
    30.) Three turn, clockwise
    31.) Loop, clockwise
    32.) Toe hop, clockwise
    33.) Chasse, counterclockwise
    34.) Curve with change of edge, clockwise
    35.) Bracket, counterclockwise
    36.) Cross step, clockwise
    37.) Cross step, counterclockwise
    38.) Half turn and edge change from inside to outside with free foot push, clockwise
    39.) Toe step, clockwise
    40.) Counter, counterclockwise
    41.) Twizzle, counterclockwise (x2)
    42.) Three turn, counterclockwise
    43.) Rocker, counterclockwise
    44.) Half turn and edge change from inside to outside with free foot placed on ice, counterclockwise
    45.) Change of foot with free foot push, counterclockwise
    46.) Illusion turn, counterclockwise
    47.) Chasse, counterclockwise
    48.) Toe step, clockwise
    49.) Cross step, counterclockwise
    50.) Chasse, counterclockwise
    51.) Toe step, counterclockwise

    She has 6 types of turns in both directions - Rocker, Bracket, Twizzle, Loop, Counter, Three
    She had 4 types of steps in both directions - Toe hop, Toe step, Chasse, Choctaw
    She has full body rotation covering at least 1/3 of the pattern in total for each rotational direction.
    She most definitely has upper body movements for at least 1/3 of the pattern.
    She has 3 different combinations of three difficult turns executed with a clear rhythm.

    This footwork sequence is clearly Level 4.

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    Lol but I thought she just did crossovers the whole time??

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    Quote Originally Posted by sk8in View Post
    Lol but I thought she just did crossovers the whole time??
    In the step sequence?? Wha-What?

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    Unbelievable work, BoP. I have the utmost respect. (though I confess my knowledge isn't up there to fully understand your work) It is so wonderful to be around smart people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam-Skwantch View Post

    In the step sequence?? Wha-What?
    I'm not sure what's so hard to understand. From what I've read here all Yuna did was crossovers while wiping her face. Oh and not enough triples. Anything else is a hate thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanshilar View Post
    I'm not sure what's so hard to understand. From what I've read here all Yuna did was crossovers while wiping her face. Oh and not enough triples. Anything else is a hate thread.
    I'm a big Yuna fan but I about spat my drink out laughing so hard at the wings comment. Sorry but playful humor is quite funny. BoP is pretty good at it too. I've never accused anyone here of bashing Adelina or Yuna. I'm so far over this "scandal" angle and don't care at all about that. I'm just interested in the steps being discussed here. My point is wouldn't crossovers be a bit ridiculous in the StSeq? Ill go back to for a while at least.

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    I love the OP. Thanks to BoP for the analysis
    Can anyone do the same with Yuna, Carolina and Mao's step sequence? Anyone? I'm not expert enough to do so.
    Also, will people please stop posting unnecessary things that just makes this thread too long? To be honest, a lot of posters here aren't really helping the point of this thread. This is an analysis thread, not a hate thread. I can't help but comment because the helpful analyses are being drowned in the sea of troll posts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sk8in View Post
    You're ignoring all the professionals who weren't on the judging panel and panned Adelina's choreography/skating skills. She is a laughing stock among people who know about skating. It is not a controversy because everyone is a hardcore Yuna Kim fan. It is a controversy because Adelina is just not that good.
    With this, I wish the moderators would close this thread already. It's gone on too long.

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    ^ lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blades of Passion View Post
    As requested, I have written down all of the movements in Yu-Na Kim's LP footwork sequence:

    1.) Toe step, counterclockwise
    2.) Back edge pull with free foot toepick push, clockwise
    2.) Mohawk, clockwise
    3.) Waltz hop, clockwise
    4.) Cross step, clockwise
    5.) Change of edge from inside to outside with free foot in quick ina position, counterclockwise
    6.) Change edge from outside to inside with free foot placed on ice
    7.) Rocker, clockwise
    8.) Bracket, clockwise
    9.) Rocker, clockwise
    10.) Cross Roll, counterclockwise
    11.) Rocker, counterclockwise
    12). Change edge from outside to inside
    13.) Loop, counterclockwise
    14.) Full turn on ice while changing feet, counterclockwise
    15.) Toe steps, clockwise
    16.) Rocker, clockwise
    17.) Cross step, counterclockwise
    18.) Choctaw executed with a hop, clockwise
    19.) Twizzle, clockwise
    20.) Chasse, clockwise
    21.) Choctaw, counterclockwise
    22.) Top hop, counterclockwise
    23.) Twizzle, counterclockwise (x2)
    24.) Rocker, counterclockwise
    25.) Edge change from inside to outside
    26.) Three turn, counterclockwise
    27.) Brief back inside two foot glide with back free foot mini-kick
    28.) Choctaw, clockwise
    29.) Three turn, clockwise
    30.) Loop, clockwise
    31.) Toe hop, clockwise
    32.) Chasse, counterclockwise
    33.) Curve with change of edge, clockwise
    34.) Bracket, counterclockwise
    35.) Cross step, clockwise
    36.) Cross step, counterclockwise
    37.) Half turn and edge change from inside to outside with free foot push, clockwise
    38.) Toe step, clockwise
    39.) Counter, counterclockwise
    40.) Twizzle, countererclockwise (x2)
    41.) Three turn, counterclockwise
    41.) Rocker, counterclockwise
    42.) Half turn and edge change from inside to outside with free foot placed on ice, counterclockwise
    43.) Mohawk, counterclockwise
    44.) Illusion turn, counterclockwise
    45.) Chasse, counterclockwise
    46.) Toe step, clockwise
    47.) Cross step, counterclockwise
    48.) Chasse, counterclockwise
    49.) Toe step, counterclockwise

    She has 5 types of turns in both directions - Rocker, Bracket, Twizzle, Loop, Three
    She had 5 types of steps in both directions - Toe hop, Toe step, Chasse, Mohawk, Choctaw
    She has full body rotation covering at least 1/3 of the pattern in total for each rotational direction.
    She most definitely has upper body movements for at least 1/3 of the pattern.
    She has 3 different combinations of three difficult turns executed with a clear rhythm.

    This footwork sequence is clearly Level 4.
    Thank you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jenm View Post
    Thank you!
    Thanks, BoP. You are very generous and patient to take the time to do all this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chloepoco View Post
    With this, I wish the moderators would close this thread already. It's gone on too long.
    No. The right moderation when trolls try to hijack a thread isn't to close the thread. It's to ban the trolls. Otherwise you're just giving trolls a "heckler's veto" to stop what is otherwise an informative thread, and encouraging them to repeat their behavior to derail other threads they don't like or they disagree with.

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