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Thread: Analyzing Sotnikova and Kim's footwork in the FS

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melon View Post
    Nuance : a subtle difference in colour, meaning, tone, etc; a shade or graduation, a subtle difference in or shade of meaning, expression, or sound.
    Yuna captured the FULL nuance of the MUSIC of ADIOS NONINO, a MEMORY of PIAZOLLA's FATHER. Passionate, yet has tragedy. AND YES YOU CAN compare short program and long program. It takes more energy, stamina, time, effort, skill, and mentality in long program than short. It's 1 minute and 30 seconds more you have to glide on the ice. If you CANNOT appreciate that, SORRY you're not a true skating FAN.


    Oh is that why you wrote a LENGTHY paragraphs about how you think Yuna killed the music by not interpreting the music itself during Stsq? Read what you write.



    For 10000th time, What Yuna performed was the SUBTLE part of the Adios Nonino, which you're trying to avoid. Before you criticize a program, OR A SKATER, learn the MEANING of the Music FIRST PLEASE.

    Oh and you contradicted yourself. "plus this thread is about her stsq" and you talk about performance intensity? Do you even think before you write this kind of stuff?



    Yuna's jumps are THREADED in her program, hence why many praise her for musicality.
    Are you not able to make SOME rudimentary connections about choreography and step sequence?

    Quoting the dictionary doesn't make what you said about Yuna true.

    But hey, since you threw in a dictionary why not refer us to a website with a Powerpoint? That might just make it TRUE.

    Her performance PALED in comparison to what Buttle, V&M, etc. put into their Adios Nonino.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melon View Post
    Yuna's jumps are THREADED in her program, hence why many praise her for musicality.
    No, her choreography stops for several seconds for her jump set-ups. She is very musical but to say there is choreography or transitions going on into her jumps is not true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drivingmissdaisy View Post
    No, her choreography stops for several seconds for her jump set-ups. She is very musical but to say there is choreography or transitions going on into her jumps is not true.
    and adelina has a choreography?? what choreography?

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    Quote Originally Posted by qwertyskates View Post
    Are you not able to make SOME rudimentary connections about choreography and step sequence?
    Choreography is PCS and it takes an the program as a WHOLE. Step Sequence is an ELEMENT in a PROGRAM. You contradicted yourself. ADMIT IT and move on. Yuna's performance OUTSCALED what Buttle, V&M, and etc because they're not even COMPARABLE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drivingmissdaisy View Post
    No, her choreography stops for several seconds for her jump set-ups. She is very musical but to say there is choreography or transitions going on into her jumps is not true.
    It's really pointless to argue with those who refuse REALITY. But all the observations about the lack in Yuna's program were spot on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cooper View Post
    and adelina has a choreography?? what choreography?
    Just because you keep repeating same thing over and over, it won't be become a reality. So just stop making argument by responding to a question with a question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melon View Post
    Choreography is PCS and it takes an the program as a WHOLE. Step Sequence is an ELEMENT in a PROGRAM. You contradicted yourself. ADMIT IT and move on. Yuna's performance OUTSCALED what Buttle, V&M, and etc because they're not even COMPARABLE.
    You mean, stsq isn't CHOREOGRAPHED?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cooper View Post
    and adelina has a choreography?? what choreography?
    The choreography that you don't like apparently, but she doesn't just stop everything for eight seconds before a jump without doing some choreography or turns. Why do you ignore the fact Yuna doesn't do transitions before the jumps and that does, in fact, impact PCS? It isn't only about how beautiful she looks skating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drivingmissdaisy View Post
    The judges are human, and of course are influenced by these things, along with whether they actually like the program and the skater.
    Your original comment said that the job of the judges is to objectively judge the event, regardless of their program and skater preferences; so it's not okay that their scoring should be influenced by personal favoritism:

    I think this is the fallacy of the Yuna fan's argument. I have no doubt that the majority of the judging panel preferred watching Carolina's and Yuna's programs over Adelina's. However, their job is to objectively judge an athletic event; it doesn't matter at all whether they would "rather see a beautiful slam dunk by Michael Jordan or growing and maturing College Star."
    You're completely contradicting yourself and flip-flopping stances. You lost all credibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whatif View Post
    Just because you keep repeating same thing over and over, it won't be become a reality. So just stop making argument by responding to a question with a question.
    and again i'm asking where's is the choreography??

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    Quote Originally Posted by drivingmissdaisy View Post
    The choreography that you don't like apparently, but she doesn't just stop everything for eight seconds before a jump without doing some choreography or turns. Why do you ignore the fact Yuna doesn't do transitions before the jumps and that does, in fact, impact PCS? It isn't only about how beautiful she looks skating.
    The caressing of chin and cheek must mean something for PCS though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by qwertyskates View Post
    The caressing of chin and cheek must mean something for PCS though.
    you mean waving to the judges in a junior program = for pcs then??

    no wonder why baranova was so eager to hug adelina backstage while waiting for alla... i guess it was a goodbye..

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    Quote Originally Posted by cooper View Post
    you mean waving to the judges in a junior program = for pcs then??
    How is doing fewer than half the number of crossovers than each of the other medalists a junior program?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cooper View Post
    and again i'm asking where's is the choreography??
    You will never find it in the "denial hole" that you came from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drivingmissdaisy View Post
    How is doing fewer than half the number of crossovers than each of the other medalists a junior program?
    See, a 0.1 sec wave in a 4 minute program invalidates the entire FS and makes it all a "junior program". Math is hard.

    The ridiculous Yuna fans aside, I do think getting silver was not at all a bad deal for Yuna, after her long hiatus and being at less than peak form, and with a underwhelming Adios Nonino. It's still silver. The one I felt sorry for is Mao, and that was *some* stsq, she outdid many male skaters with that stsq.

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