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Thread: Analyzing Sotnikova and Kim's footwork in the FS

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    Quote Originally Posted by samkrut@mail.ru View Post
    The only weapon against the so called analysis is to stick to the fact.
    LOL. I guess The Bible is fact too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sk8in View Post
    If only Yuna had trained with the great Russian ice dancers. Then maybe she would know a thing or two about seamlessly incorporating elements!
    Well they certainly wouldn't let her get away with doing 6 crossovers in a row at any point in the program.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drivingmissdaisy View Post
    At 4:06-4:07, after the steps, she rebalances herself on two feet, then does her crossovers into the 2A. That isn't a difficult jump entrance when you go from gliding on two feet into a back crossover into a jump. It's not telegraphed but it isn't a difficult entrance either.
    Hah. Your observations are just disingenuous. The "reblancing" on two feet is not "rebalancing" at all--Yuna actually has upper body choreographed movement and it's a nice little pause in time with the music.

    The set-up for Yu-Na's second 2A is short, it directly follows her choreographed sequence, and it's very late in the program. These things make the jump more difficult to execute. Btw, Adelina has a single turn (not a "complex turn" as you keep saying), and is gliding for a longer time before her final 2A.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drivingmissdaisy View Post
    Well they certainly wouldn't let her get away with doing 6 crossovers in a row at any point in the program.
    Now if only they could teach skaters how to Lz correctly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blades of Passion View Post
    LOL. I guess The Bible is fact too.
    That's a big can of worms to open

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    Quote Originally Posted by makaihime View Post
    That's a big can of worms to open
    Oops, you just spoke my words!

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    I keep rewatching the two programs. Yuna's skating, as flat as some say it is, for me expresses the theme of the music. I know I'm biased, I know others disagree. It's a never-ending discussion. What Adelina has in hers more than Yuna is pure, raw engery. Her FS does seem more energetic, it's true. But for God's sake, what's the idea behind it? What the hell is she trying to express?

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    Quote Originally Posted by makaihime View Post
    That's a big can of worms to open
    I know, I know. How do you argue with someone who is insistent on being illogical? They say "stick to the fact" but ignore the facts they don't want to believe.

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    Which facts? A so-called analysis by another pissy Yuna stan are not facts. Just another opinion in the sea of many.

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    I think opinions are fine but arguing opinions as facts is just lunacy. I've stated in my opinion that I thought Yuna was a bit unconvincing to me. I also admit I may be pitting her against herself more so than Adelina. It may be wrong but its how I see it. I got a lot more than I expected From Adelina while I got considerable less of what I expected out of Yuna. I don't think the judges are immune to these emotions. Especially a well known skater like Yuna who many fans expected to break 150. There I said it. Tear me apart.

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    I think the problem here is denying facts because of opinion.

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    It seems to be contagious here. People see what they want. I like Yuna more than Adelina so its even a weirder state of affairs for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whatif View Post
    A so-called analysis by another pissy Yuna stan are not facts.
    It's not "so-called" it IS. The facts of figure skating and the rules the skaters competed under. I'm not a Yuna stan. Nor are all of the other tech specialists who have analyzed the sequences and come to the same conclusion. Everyone agrees wrong calls were made.

    The remaining questions are if they were made on purpose and/or if the rules are too complex and need improvement (most definitely yes in the latter case).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam-Skwantch View Post
    I think opinions are fine but arguing opinions as facts is just lunacy. I've stated in my opinion that I thought Adelina was a bit unconvincing to me. I also admit I may be pitting her against herself more so than Adelina. It may be wrong but its how I see it. I got a lot more than I expected From Adelina while I got considerable less of what I expected out of Yuna. I don't think the judges are immune to these emotions. Especially a well known skater like Yuna who many fans expected to break 150. There I said it. Tear me apart.
    Hardly no one expected Yuna to break 150 even with a clean skate. That's why Adelina received the score she did. Why did you expect Yuna to break 150?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blades of Passion View Post
    I know, I know. How do you argue with someone who is insistent on being illogical? They say "stick to the fact" but ignore the facts they don't want to believe.
    Which is more illogical? Stating that Yuna and Adelina both made compelling cases for the gold medal and that knowledgable experts fairly disagree about who should have won, or arguing that Yuna for sure should have won and that anybody who disagrees, including the entire NBC team and a large majority of the judging panel, is somehow biased. Once you quit whining and accept that it was a close decision that didn't go your way, the happier you'll be. Or you can go start more petitions in which 95% of the signees are Korean or Asian Americans living in California.

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