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    Quote Originally Posted by Blades of Passion View Post
    It's not "so-called" it IS. The facts of figure skating and the rules the skaters competed under. I'm not a Yuna stan. Nor are all of the other tech specialists who have analyzed the sequences and come to the same conclusion. Everyone agrees wrong calls were made.
    I see you are also suffering from megalomania. You are NOT a technical specialist, you are NOT everyone nor your opinions are facts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blades of Passion View Post
    The remaining questions are if they were made on purpose and/or if the rules are too complex and need improvement (most definitely yes in the latter case).
    No they weren't made on purpose because Yuna got some close calls made in her favor. Hopefully your investigation will come to a close soon because there is nothing to uncover.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam-Skwantch View Post
    I think opinions are fine but arguing opinions as facts is just lunacy. I've stated in my opinion that I thought Adelina was a bit unconvincing to me. I also admit I may be pitting her against herself more so than Adelina. It may be wrong but its how I see it. I got a lot more than I expected From Adelina while I got considerable less of what I expected out of Yuna. I don't think the judges are immune to these emotions. Especially a well known skater like Yuna who many fans expected to break 150. There I said it. Tear me apart.
    You wanted to see 2010 Vancouver Yuna probably like many others. Also many expected a sensual, fiery tango and can't see adios... as a tango.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sk8in View Post
    I think the problem here is denying facts because of opinion.
    I think the problem here is claiming facts as opinion and claiming opinion as fact.

    Listing out via video slow motion the steps performed in a step sequence and comparing it with levels as defined by the guidelines ==> just some uninformed opinion.

    Yuna was just phoning it in and did nothing but crossovers and stroking her cheeks ==> absolute unimpeachable fact.

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    Analyzing Sotnikova and Kim's footwork in the FS

    I don't see any Sotnikova supporters claiming their opinions to be facts. They are just as much opinion as the opposing side ones. So let's just start there. The argument that "OTHER" Tech specialists did better job post-fact than 20 specialists on the competition night is just ludicrous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drivingmissdaisy View Post
    Which is more illogical? Stating that Yuna and Adelina both made compelling cases for the gold medal and that knowledgable experts fairly disagree about who should have won, or arguing that Yuna for sure should have won and that anybody who disagrees, including the entire NBC team and a large majority of the judging panel, is somehow biased. Once you quit whining and accept that it was a close decision that didn't go your way, the happier you'll be. Or you can go start more petitions in which 95% of the signees are Korean or Asian Americans living in California.
    Yes, lets just slip a little bit of racism into this discussion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sk8in View Post
    Yes, lets just slip a little bit of racism into this discussion.
    Well ironically that one is actually a fact. According to available data.

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    I didn't realize change.org could detect the race of its signators, or that someone's race determines the credibility of their opinions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ioanablabla View Post
    You wanted to see 2010 Vancouver Yuna probably like many others. Also many expected a sensual, fiery tango and can't see adios... as a tango.
    It's not even that. Schindlers List was my favorite program. I love dark and dreary moods. The thing is and as discussed the other day here, you can't go out and just run thru a program like this. You can't present a moment of doubt. As Mathman said...you can't give anyone a chance to think. It was lost in delivery to me. I hope that's not incredibly unfair of me.

    The Olympics are like an eclipse and don't happen every year. I don't think it's unfair to expect people to raise their game. When I ask myself if Yuna put her all out there I'm inclined to say no. So in what I consider a toss up ... I'd take the one who outperformed herself and gave everything and then some. Caro should be included here to be honest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam-Skwantch View Post
    It's not even that. Schindlers List was my favorite program. I love dark and dreary moods. The thing is and as discussed the other day here, you can't go out and just run thru a program like this. You can't present a moment of doubt. As Mathman said...you can't give anyone a chance to think. It was lost in delivery to me. I hope that's not incredibly unfair of me.
    Little bit OT but even though Mao's LP was my favorite overall performance of the Olympics, my favorite single moment was the way Yulia looked back over her shoulder at the beginning of hers. Even though there's no skating there and it's a practiced/planned move (i.e. it wasn't a spur-of-the-moment thing but part of the program that she undoubtedly practiced a lot), that look just set the tone for the entire program.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam-Skwantch View Post
    It's not even that. Schindlers List was my favorite program. I love dark and dreary moods. The thing is and as discussed the other day here, you can't go out and just run thru a program like this. You can't present a moment of doubt. As Mathman said...you can't give anyone a chance to think. It was lost in delivery to me. I hope that's not incredibly unfair of me.
    I liked Schindler's List too, but in the team event. I felt all the magic was lost in the ladies' event, it felt rushed and a bit robotic. But oh, boy, in the team event it felt magical to me!

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    Quote Originally Posted by drivingmissdaisy View Post
    No they weren't made on purpose because Yuna got some close calls made in her favor. Hopefully your investigation will come to a close soon because there is nothing to uncover.
    We've already been over this. Yuna's Lz was not under rotated---and otherwise her program was executed to a T. It is irrational to look at BoP's analysis of the footwork and conclude that Yuna somehow got an advantage that all skaters were privy to. Gracie Gold's component score was 6 points lower than Adelina's. Is she really that much worse of a skater in terms of PCS? No. If Yuna's step sequence was ranked lower than Adelina's, that is evidence of the judges making calls harshly towards her, and generously towards Adelina.

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    Oh,boy. Not trying to bring Yulia into this . She fell and that's that.


    My point was it wasn't the music...it was the delivery. It just didnt convey anything to me. I love the sentiment...a lot. I guess I wish she would have saved it for a gala maybe or even skated like she did last year at WC's

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    Quote Originally Posted by whatif View Post
    I see you are also suffering from megalomania. You are NOT a technical specialist, you are NOT everyone nor your opinions are facts.
    Yes I am a tech specialist. Obviously I am not everyone, but everyone I know who has examined the sequences has come to the same conclusion. This includes figure skating experts around the entire world. So take that as you will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drivingmissdaisy View Post
    Once you quit whining and accept that it was a close decision that didn't go your way, the happier you'll be.
    How exactly was that a close decision when Adelina won the LP by almost 6 points? It should have been close, but it wasn't and therein lies the problem.

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