05-06-2014, 12:51 PM
Say no to horrendous costumes
If this event were in the 6.0 era, it would have been much easier, wouldn't it. The judges didn't have to do crazy math like this. Mostly they only had to say which one they liked better and gave out the placement, we would know which judge placed Adelina or Yuna higher.
Just like Oly 1994, even though some people still don't agree with the placement, at least we know which judge favour which skater.
CoP wouldn't be such a mess if they erased anonymous judging right from the beginning.
05-06-2014, 01:13 PM
Landing 3As in my dreams!
Speaking only as a more-than-casual fan, the idea of full rotation as a place to start makes sense to me. The rotation is what I'd understand as one of the basics of the jump, with height and distance adding the "wow" factor that would contribute to a GOE bonus. As for "effortless," that's the Holy Grail!
Originally Posted by Sam-Skwantch
The ingredients/cake/icing analogy didn't seem all that weird but I come from a long line of amazing cooks & bakers!
05-14-2014, 02:05 AM
Did blades of passion ever get to analyze Sotnikova's short program step sequence? I lost track after this thread started going off-topic.
Couple things I want to say about off-topic discussions;
1. Yuna's single 3Lutz - someone's calling it FLUTZ now? (sam skwanch?) Flutz is when you take off for Lutz jump with inside edge instead of outside edge - it has nothing to do with the rotations. And for those who claim Yuna pre/under-rotated, when you count revolutions, it's pointless to look at captured moments because everyone would be under rotated somehow picking the supposed exact moment that the foot makes contact with ice - even when it's only toe pick. You should look at the entire jump - start from the moment of take off and count the rotation of the foot - although with Yuna, looking at her upper body will be just fine cuz she doesn't twist her upper body to forfeit rotation (specialty of Sotnikova and Mao - this is shown by their head turned sideways during their jumps). No doubt Yuna had full rotation - a little tight - but she does complete full rotation in air - a close one though and she barely makes it. The huge turn she makes afterwards was to stabilize her landing, not to complete her rotation on ice.
2. Comparing Yuna with Buttle/Tuktamisheva
Okay, in all fairness they all used Adios Nonino and they all had their own edit version of the music piece. And yes, people may have different preferences. But where do people get the idea that Yuna didn't interpret the music vs Buttle/tuktamisheva did better than Yuna? Yuna expresses various emotions & captures every nuances every time the beat/tempo changes in Adios Nonino - it starts off with sad/ mourning tone and her facial expressions also reflect the mood. Her little smile after her FCCoSp4 right before her step sequence marks the change of tempo into a faster paced/passionate tango. Towards the end of step sequence, it's back to sorrowful/slow tempo. She acts out a mourning daughter who misses her father. And then right before LSp3, there's a little alluring piano prelude leading up to the climax and Yuna does that little finger tip touching her face - perfectly expressing feminity/maturity. Then finally accelerated tempo along with Yuna's choreo sequence... She expresses agony here. Her ending pose marks the growth/maturity of a girl through her father's passing/tango. See how it's so easy to tell a story from her performance? Who said her performance was boring? It had so many changes of tempos and different grounds for various moods/emotions/expressions. And please do compare it with other Nonino performances - were they able to perfectly match/fit their elements into the music? Were they able to make the music come alive or did the music carry the skaters?
3. Crossovers - some say Adelina had less crossovers but that's because she didn't cover enough ice. With the same amount of time given, she lack speed and covered less ice. (Look up the ice coverage comparisons)
http://youtu.be/Lf7V6DTHuhw this is a raw cam. Just look at her speed.
4. Sotnikova with difficult entry and less severe wrong edge on her lutz? First of all, wrong edge is a wrong edge. i think the new isu rule giving out attentions to less severe ones is ridiculous. So basically it's enough to pretend you have outside edge way before take off and when you actually take off you slyly change to inside edge but it's barely noticeable. So it's less severe? I mean because that's exactly what Sotnikova does. But this is about the jumping technique itself, before even getting into GoEs and difficult entries. If that is not going to be penalized strictly, then what about skaters like Yuna who properly does the outside edge right when she takes off? Shouldn't they award Yuna with +3 GoEs just for her textbook jumping technique? And speaking of difficult entry, she may look like she does more in her entry because she does turns before the jump - but if you look at it in a different perspective, all that stuff before the jump is possible because she lacks speed. Look at Yuna's entry. It's with so much speed - and it's not like she does nothing - if you look it up, no other skaters do that cross-steps before the lutz jump.
05-14-2014, 03:51 PM
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