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Thread: Was it wise for Sotnikova to skip Worlds?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam-Skwantch View Post
    I don't think even Putin could keep Yulia from skating at worlds had she won. I feel like you're just trolling though based on your recent posts but in the case you are sincere...I really do think Yulia has more determination. It's just an opinion.
    I think Adelina is just as determined as Julia. Julia did fall twice remember? I'm sure Adelina was told not to skate. It was a good decision for her. If she is allowed to come back she should get a better choreographer but I don't even think that's an option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spinerette View Post
    I don't recall Adelina having too many fans before winning the fool's gold. Of course Yuna and Mao had all the fanatics. That does tell you something about her skating though. Even Julia has more fans not that Adelina is a bad skater. She's actually very good but that judging panel they made a fool out of her performance by giving her that tremendous score. They probably shortened her career too.
    Imagine my shock after the ladies event when all those parasitic "fans" wiggled out suddenly. I thought I was Adelina's fan!

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    Quote Originally Posted by usethis2 View Post
    Imagine my shock after the ladies event when all those parasitic "fans" wiggled out suddenly. I thought I was Adelina's fan!
    And I think this scandal made some people into Yuna fans and Mao fans. And of course some even became Adelina fans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spinerette View Post
    I don't recall Adelina having too many fans before winning the fool's gold. Of course Yuna and Mao had all the fanatics. That does tell you something about her skating though. Even Julia has more fans not that Adelina is a bad skater. She's actually very good but that judging panel they made a fool out of her performance by giving her that tremendous score. They probably shortened her career too.
    I haven't seen anyone posting in Adelina cheer thread for a long time. No one makes a thread analyzing the beauty of her skate. No one makes a prediction thread how her next journey is going to be. (not by those who defend her gold medal in Sochi)

    But they sure as heck are interested in Yuna/Mao threads. It's pervert.

    P.S. Here is Adelina thread. Created by Mrs. P on 10/28/2013. 4 pages long.

    http://www.goldenskate.com/forum/sho...hlight=adelina

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spinerette View Post
    I think Adelina is just as determined as Julia. Julia did fall twice remember? I'm sure Adelina was told not to skate. It was a good decision for her. If she is allowed to come back she should get a better choreographer but I don't even think that's an option.
    I guess by determination I was taking the context of the thread into consideration and not necessarily going for a on ice comparison. I think Yulia is more in control of her future and has been all along. I agree Adelina is somewhat of a pawn but Yulia was as some of my Russian friends say " an unexpected child". This was supposed to be Adelina and Liza right. Yulia made it in spite of the federation's constant propping up of Adelina and in spite of a lot of criticism. Like I said its just an opinion and I like Adelina all the same. I just like Yulia more and feel like she would bite your hand before letting you tell her what music to put in the CD player.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spinerette View Post
    And I think this scandal made some people into Yuna fans and Mao fans. And of course some even became Adelina fans.
    How would one not be a Yuna fan? Wouldn't that mean you just don't like figure skating. Yuna has one of the most beautiful personalities and skates like a gentle breeze. Are there really people who don't like Yuna and actually mean it?

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    Good lord. This is clearly yet another veiled attempt to criticize Sotnikova. As pointed out, if she loses people will say told you so, if she wins people will still refer back to Sochi.

    She's got nothing to prove to people and skipping worlds is her prerogative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by usethis2 View Post
    Imagine my shock after the ladies event when all those parasitic "fans" wiggled out suddenly. I thought I was Adelina's fan!
    I've been a fan of Adelina's for the past few years, particularly regarding her athleticism and charisma on the ice. Sure, she's always felt a bit unrefined (which should be expected of any 14-17 year old competing under COP) and her programs have been clunky the past two years, but she tackles her performances with an abandon that, when coupled even with an almost perfect technical performance, can feel like magic. But I was never totally convinced until she won the free skate with a clean performance at TEB last fall that she is quite special, and I look forward to seeing her development in the years to come.

    Also, I did relish in her OGM a bit thanks to a Youtube comment I made a few years ago. I'll have to fish out the video, but I commented on a performance of hers saying that she has enormous potential and should be someone to watch out for in Sochi; naturally, I was pilloried by several commenters who deemed my logic ludicrous, but here we are!

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    Quote Originally Posted by christiannnw View Post
    I've been a fan of Adelina's for the past few years, particularly regarding her athleticism and charisma on the ice. Sure, she's always felt a bit unrefined (which should be expected of any 14-17 year old competing under COP) and her programs have been clunky the past two years, but she tackles her performances with an abandon that, when coupled even with an almost perfect technical performance, can feel like magic. But I was never totally convinced until she won the free skate with a clean performance at TEB last fall that she is quite special, and I look forward to seeing her development in the years to come.

    Also, I did relish in her OGM a bit thanks to a Youtube comment I made a few years ago. I'll have to fish out the video, but I commented on a performance of hers saying that she has enormous potential and should be someone to watch out for in Sochi; naturally, I was pilloried by several commenters who deemed my logic ludicrous, but here we are!
    We're here courtesy of corrupt judging. Here we are, indeed!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam-Skwantch View Post
    How would one not be a Yuna fan? Wouldn't that mean you just don't like figure skating. Yuna has one of the most beautiful personalities and skates like a gentle breeze. Are there really people who don't like Yuna and actually mean it?
    Excuse me, but I've never liked Yuna. This does not make me stupid or any less of a fan of skating. It just makes me not a fan of Yuna. (I'm not a fan of Mao, either.)

    There you go, rip me to shreds all you like, it will only serve to reinforce my view of her fans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by karne View Post
    Excuse me, but I've never liked Yuna. This does not make me stupid or any less of a fan of skating. It just makes me not a fan of Yuna. (I'm not a fan of Mao, either.)

    There you go, rip me to shreds all you like, it will only serve to reinforce my view of her fans.
    No, you're completely entitled to not like Yuna or Mao. Different strokes for different folks. Some people prefer the more athletic type (like Adelina or Surya). Some prefer the more beautiful skaters (like Yuna, Mao or Carolina). It's a matter of preference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by karne View Post
    Excuse me, but I've never liked Yuna. This does not make me stupid or any less of a fan of skating. It just makes me not a fan of Yuna. (I'm not a fan of Mao, either.)

    There you go, rip me to shreds all you like, it will only serve to reinforce my view of her fans.
    That's fine. It's just baffles the mind. You are free to dislike everything you possibly can. Have fun.

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    She will now go down in history as one of the most controversial OGMs in history. Considering her lack of technique, she will probably not be able to perform at that level again. With all the young Russian skaters coming up she will probably compete next year, get mediocre results, and then bow out. It was probably a wise decision for her personally---because no matter how she performed at Worlds, the contrast in scoring would make her gold medal more questionable. That said, it is bad for the sport, because it means we will never truly resolve what happened with the judges in Sochi.

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    Personally, whilst I wish we could see all of the Olympic finalists again, I know we don't always get what we wish for in life.

    Now, as has been commented up thread, it isn't that rare for Olympic gold medalists to skip the World Championships, in the immediate aftermath, without too much in the way of criticism,so why should Adelina be held to different standards? She's still listed as a substitute, so there's still a slim chance she might take part, we'll just have to wait and see on that point I guess. BTW. I should think the lass is hardly encouraged to attend Worlds when she's receiving threats from Yuna's more fanatical fans, as to what will happen to her if she does go to Japan (I should stress that these people are highly unlikely to be the least bit interested in skating), simply for posting a photo of her hugging her dad on her Instagram page, wouldn't you agree?

    On the subject of taste, and at risk of being declared a traitor, & sent to the Tower for a terminal hair cut. Many hold that Torvill & Dean's "Bolero" routine was the greatest ice dance performance ever, whilst I never really liked it; I preferered Karen Barber & Nicky Slater's performances, amongst the Brits & always had a soft spot for Bestemanova & Bukhin (I also thought it disgusting the way that Torvill & Dean were allowed to return to amateur competition when their ice skating show wasn't the big success they tought it would be.). Does that mean I also get to be counted, by at least one poster, as a "pervert", along with Adelina's fans?

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    Well, IMO, with respect to "Adelina's benefit", the decision of skipping 2014 Worlds is a wise one.

    Of course, the people, who are continously doubting about her OGM in Sochi, will continue their complaints. However, she has too many hurdles to overcome for proving her fairness of her OGM at worlds.

    First, after olympics, she has no time for re-storing her ability for showing great performance at worlds, as good as that of Sochi.
    Furthermore, the situation will be really different from that of Sochi, especially about the construction of members of judges.
    In addition, the pressure, that she should bear, especially about clean or great performances, will be the greatest barrier for her game at world, which might be the same in the first game after Sochi.

    Therefore, the delay of her next game might be the best choices that she and Russian Figure skating federations can make.

    p.s.) Whenever will be Adelina's next game, the curious and nick-picking viewpoints of tremendous numbers of people will follow her and she need to bear those things and the pressure she must carry as an carrier of OGM, which might be much more heavier than her ability.

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