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    2014 Olympics in future history - Berlin all over again?

    The 2014 olympics have barely ended and the host nation is showing a renewed thirst for conquest and expansion.

    Will the 2014 games be remembered in similar terms as the Nazi olympics in 1936?

    Will it help kill the olympics for good? (oh please, oh please, oh please)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mafke View Post
    Will the 2014 games be remembered in similar terms as the Nazi olympics in 1936?

    Will it help kill the olympics for good? (oh please, oh please, oh please)
    No and no.

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    Of cause not!
    Berlin was a capital and is being one now. Sochi is a small town...

    Would Russian win ice-hockey tournament we could say Partaigenosse Putin arranged that. But as it happened they won only in few minor disciplines. The FS success is an exchange for 2002 and 2010 games.
    Nothing too close.

    Again Adolf Hitler dreamed to run Olympics in Germany for every 4y. Putin is much more civilized. The next games bid planned after 2028 (he will not even be alive)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mafke View Post
    The 2014 olympics have barely ended and the host nation is showing a renewed thirst for conquest and expansion.

    Will the 2014 games be remembered in similar terms as the Nazi olympics in 1936?

    Will it help kill the olympics for good? (oh please, oh please, oh please)
    Oh, for goodness sake!

    It is because of silly comments like this that I have been avoiding large portions of the forum since the Olympics finished.

    I thought it would be safe by now, but evidently not...

    RUSSIA WON THE 2014 OLYMPICS. GET OVER IT!!!


    As for the Crimea, I would advise people to read up on the history of the peninsula during the 20th Century. And you will realise that a lot of the current crisis is because the media are more interested in stirring things up than they are in researching the background story.

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    History will show that the 2014 Olympics were a just a sham with all those smiling Russian faces hiding something more nefarious and that somehow Russia believed in the Olympic spirit. Russia should never ever be allowed to host an Olympic games ever again. They invaded a country just months before the 1980 Summer games and now they don't even wait a week after the Olympics ended to invade a sovereign nation again. Nothing changes Russia is still a county being run by barbarians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaroLiza_fan View Post
    RUSSIA WON THE 2014 OLYMPICS. GET OVER IT!!!
    As for the Crimea, I would advise people to read up on the history of the peninsula during the 20th Century. And you will realise that a lot of the current crisis is because the media are more interested in stirring things up than they are in researching the background story.
    Russia gave up any territorial claim to Crimea in 1994.

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    The sad thing is that Russia would prosper so much more if it depended on things such as trade and technological innovation rather than the old methods of militarism to gain prestige. I'm saying this as an American who wishes with all my heart that we had not gotten ourselves embroiled in two foreign wars in the early 2000s. We have lost far more than we gained from taking that path.

    The Ukraine isn't a danger to Russia. That's like saying that a bush is a danger to a giant redwood tree, or that an owl is a threat to a lion. Napoleon couldn't take Russia down, and he ruled most of Europe at the time. Military action just destabilizes another of Russia's borders, and to what benefit? The West isn't an enemy of Russia. Russia's true enemies come from the east and the south, and it is alienating potential allies in Europe and North America just for the satisfaction of having a greater say in the Crimea. It doesn't matter if every citizen of the Crimea is an ethnic Russian, those people are not any safer during armed combat. Wasteful, wasteful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olympia View Post
    The sad thing is that Russia would prosper so much more.
    Russia could/would be one of the richest countries in the world if they had ever established real property rights. But they haven't so they aren't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mafke View Post
    The 2014 olympics have barely ended and the host nation is showing a renewed thirst for conquest and expansion.

    Will the 2014 games be remembered in similar terms as the Nazi olympics in 1936?

    Will it help kill the olympics for good? (oh please, oh please, oh please)
    I think you lost all your credibility with the Nazi comparisons. Like seriously, stop. It's embarrassing.

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    This is nonsense! Read up on the current situation. Russia already had leased naval bases in Ukraine! Russia was already there. The government is violently anti Russia anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gmyers View Post
    This is nonsense! Read up on the current situation. Russia already had leased naval bases in Ukraine! Russia was already there. The government is violently anti Russia anything.
    Agree - before anyone forms an opinion on the current situation, please do research about Crimea/Ukraine/Russa that is not coming from the U.S. television media. The US media is very anti-Putin and is going to latch at any opportunity to show Putin as some super evil dictator (Google Search Images - Putin puppies; this has nothing to do with the current situation but very cute pictures )

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    Quote Originally Posted by moviechick View Post
    I think you lost all your credibility with the Nazi comparisons. Like seriously, stop. It's embarrassing.
    Wrong. It's a rather apt analogy. Putin may not be the sociopath Hitler was, but Putin is pretty much an autocrat.

    Putin is still trying to bring back the USSR. He's said it many times that he considers the worst thing in the 20th century was the dissolution of the Soviet Union. He's using flimsy excuses as a pretext to invade countries that Russia has a treaty with acknowledging it's sovereignty.

    He's an egocentric nationalist with an inferiority complex. The Hitler analogy is apt.

    Regardless of whether or not some minorities in Ukraine support Russian intervention (which are only there because Stalin was a evil man and systemically "Russified" many parts of the non-Russian USSR.) They are actively NOT letting Ukraine determine their own destiny.

    If you think someone like Putin is going to stop at Crimea, you're hilarious.

    This isn't the first time he's done this, btw. IMO, the headlines should be "THE RUSSIAN ARMY! Coming soon to former Soviet Republics near you!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by zschultz1986 View Post
    Wrong. It's a rather apt analogy. Putin may not be the sociopath Hitler was, but Putin is pretty much an autocrat.

    Putin is still trying to bring back the USSR. He's said it many times that he considers the worst thing in the 20th century was the dissolution of the Soviet Union. He's using flimsy excuses as a pretext to invade countries that Russia has a treaty with acknowledging it's sovereignty.

    He's an egocentric nationalist with an inferiority complex. The Hitler analogy is apt.

    Regardless of whether or not some minorities in Ukraine support Russian intervention (which are only there because Stalin was a evil man and systemically "Russified" many parts of the non-Russian USSR.) They are actively NOT letting Ukraine determine their own destiny.

    If you think someone like Putin is going to stop at Crimea, you're hilarious.

    This isn't the first time he's done this, btw. IMO, the headlines should be "THE RUSSIAN ARMY! Coming soon to former Soviet Republics near you!"
    I agree. Sometimes "body language" says a great deal about a person. Notice how Putin seats when he is at an international conference or one on one with another world leader. He is slightly slouched with his feet apart and has a very bored and somewhat irritable look on his face. His comment that the dissolution of the Soviet Union was the major geopolitical catastrophe of the 20th century is laughable. Surf the web to see the right wing thugs beating up and harassing gay people in the new " Putin Russia".

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    I am wondering how far the frustrated trolls can go in their desperation..
    Now it's Hitler. Is there any boundary in their maniacal creativity?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CezarMart View Post
    I am wondering how far the frustrated trolls can go in their desperation..
    Now it's Hitler. Is there any boundary in their maniacal creativity?
    Try to "lessen" it all you want, but the analogy is apt. Just wait till he starts letting people beat and harass minoriti.... OH WAIT, he already has.

    This has less to do with Sochi (Putin was using Sochi as Hitler used the Berlin Olympics, though: To show everyone that he brought Russia back to world prominence) and more to do with Putin. This incursion into foreign-held land is just another arm of his "Russian superiority" plan.

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