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    To the doubters who say Yulia doesn't influence her programs here is an interview with Eteri in 2012 addressing Eteri's approach and Yulia's freedom to choose. It also says in the article that Yulia wanted to not use N.Morozov but instead do the choreography themselves.

    Full article is a very good read into the mind of not only an elite skater but thru the mind of her coach!
    http://www.absoluteskating.com/index...2012tutberidze

    Here is an excerpt:

    Do you have already some ideas for the next season?

    E.T.- Yes, to tell the truth I have already been thinking about it for about a year. I have some ideas, not sure, we'll see. So far Julia hasn't agreed to them, but we'll try...and if Julia doesn't agree with something, then...
    - ...it's useless to persuade her. But to tell the truth I don't persuade my students in general. I can try to show them some examples. Suppose the skater doesn't want to wear the dress in some specific style or to skate to some type of music, I can draw her attention: "Look how well it looks [on someone], look how this music emphasizes some strong qualities". And if the skater later comes to this decision, it's already his decision, he wasn't talked into it. I never persuade, but I can lead to something little by little. And after all, it's them who will go on the ice and skate. People around can complain about the colour of the dress but what if she loves it? It's her who skates in it.
    On working with Morozov and picking Sabre Dance and certain choreographers not willing to do it...Yulia stuck to her guns:

    Was it your initiative to work with him?

    E.T.- Yes, mine, I took Julia to him. Actually this season she wondered if we might manage by ourselves, but I think, this collaboration could only do better.

    Does he have some kind of vision for Julia? Some individual approach? For example, maybe he looked at her and said: the "Sabre dance"!

    E.T.- No, actually the idea of the "Sabre dance" (SP of this season - ed.) came from Julia herself. It's been a few years that she has asked to skate to this music. At the beginning I was appalled by the idea. But somewhere in April they persuaded me to listen to this version - though which "this", they all are the same, sabres here and sabres there - but in the end I actually liked that arrangement. I liked that during the first half of the program you can't even guess it's the "Sabre dance", the most well-known pieces start only during the step sequence. And also maybe it's somewhere close to Julia's character. Though this music is still too intricate. I have a feeling that either people don't mind it or they really don't like it. For example, Sergei Petukhov said flatly: "I won't work on this program, because I simply don't like this music. I don't see it on the ice, I can't do it". Though other experts, like, for example, Sergei Chemodanov, said that this music choice is excellent, this music is Julia, we should take it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by poleptina View Post
    I don't think her routine trivializes those terrible events-- it reminds us of them by referencing the film. It's evocative, not literal. After the routine, I was led back to the movie to re-watch the the red coat sequence. Still very powerful (for all Spielberg's faults as a director and his schmaltzy tendencies) and sad-- the juxtaposition of Jews being rounded up as children sing "Ofyn Pripetschik." I was moved to look up the words of that lovely song which is about a Rabbi instructing Jewish children in their Hebrew letters. I guess that's an example of how the piece, by affecting a person emotionally, can make them want to learn more about the historical context.

    And of course, there were two appearances of the girl in the red coat: the first one, where we meet her, and the last one, which you could almost miss if you blink, where we learn her outcome. I thought it was an extraordinarily powerful way to get viewers to follow one individual into the pit of hell, because it's often easy to think of the Holocaust as a total number, rather than individuals like us who each endured a separate fate.

    I didn't go to see Schindler's List when it played in theaters, because I honestly feared it would be too strong for me. I saw it the first time it was telecast (with limited commercial breaks and just printed ads by the sponsor during the breaks--no jolly dialogue or catchy jingles). I was struck by its artistry as well as by the innate power of its narrative. There was nothing voyeuristic about it. It was an honest effort by a filmmaker to chronicle not just that time but the deeds of a man who was in many ways the last person you'd think of as a likely rescuer. Oskar Schindler was a libertine, an arms dealer, a man of easy virtue and low morals, and somehow he was moved to take action. What an enigma. I suspect that a lesser filmmaker would have made Amon Goeth a far more dominant figure in the film, but somehow Spielberg was able to make Schindler full enough to command the center of the action. There are so many layers and details in this movie, from the fine performances to tiny effects of the lighting to the use of music, to the end with the real Mrs. Schindler and the real survivors laying stones on Schindler's tombstone. Cheap profiteering is the last thing I'd think of in reference to this movie.

    As for Juliya, I agree that she's not the deep artist that some skaters are, at least not yet. But she's a lot better than some naysayers make her out to be, and a lot more promising for her age than many other skaters have been. She's not a robot by any means; she's just not fully developed as an artist or a technician yet. I think a lot of us resent the seeming overmarking of the top Russian girls during this Olympic season, but it doesn't diminish their very real efforts toward skating excellence, which I'm sure they'll achieve in good time unless derailed by (God forbid) injury or body changes. I look forward to seeing more of Juliya. The one thing I really don't warm to about her skating is that leg-by-the-ear move, which looks a bit contortionist to me. (I don't like it where it originated, in rhythmic gymnastics, either, so it must be a matter of my personal reaction.) But there's nothing wrong with her aspiration to make an artistic statement at her age. What serious young girl wouldn't want to make the most of that moment in the spotlight?

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    Quote Originally Posted by karne View Post
    All this doesn't change the fact that there was absolutely no musical interpretation, no emotion, no actual feeling of the music or the story.

    There were two Senior Schindler's Lists this season, and hers was the inferior one.
    That's not a fact, that's an opinion.

    I am not a big fan of young skaters in general but I feel this particular program was a success for Yulia's team. This is a rare case of a childlike skater playing a childlike character, not an over-rouged Carmen or a Tosca for which they entirely lack equipment. I wish there were more like it. The program also has very intricate choreography; it almost makes me wish she keeps it for another year to really skate it to perfection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by usethis2 View Post
    And Tarasova has the perfect look to play a femme fatale and a damsel in distress in one flesh.
    you say this frequently I'm beginning to think one day you'll start believing it

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    Sometimes young skaters are so praised for their potential that they stop developing their skills (cough, like Plush) and artistry. They were awarded gold medals before they've reached their potential, so why bother developing? Sometimes just realizing 30-50% of your potential is good enough to win during splatfests.

    Dai was someone whose senior debut wasn't that impressive but he developed into one of the most artistic men in figure skating history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gmyers View Post
    Good for Julia. Her program in the team and euros was great and now new people know all about SL and maybe even the holocaust
    Oh, and people would not know about holocaust otherwise???? Maybe our schools are just better, LOL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaana View Post
    Oh, and people would not know about holocaust otherwise???? Maybe our schools are just better, LOL.
    outside Europe and North America, it isn't taught
    in history or social studies

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaana View Post
    Oh, and people would not know about holocaust otherwise???? Maybe our schools are just better, LOL.
    I know of a few people that had never seen the movie and have a greater respect for the overall tragic event after doing so, purely as a result of Yulia, I guess you could say you're better than them but to me that's just silly. I for one have respect for someone who finds a respectful way to shed light on such a tragic event. Your free as are we to interpret it as we feel.

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    There are plenty of great films that deal with the Holocaust.

    The specific criticism about Spielberg back in the day was not about the cinematic qualities of the Film, Which is a brilliant piece of cinema,
    But rather that he wanted to be viewed more respectably by his peers which is why he chose this subject, And the work is not a personal one,
    Then again enough people were happy that this story was directed by the highest profile director, Though a lot of people felt specific scenes were
    kind of evasive from going too far, Or too artistically made, Like the shower scene mentioned before where instead of being gassed the women are being watered, Thus missing the hole point of bringing the story of the most despicable genocide in the world's history to film.

    Kinda like when he made "Munich" and a lot of Israelis where happy that the story would get a film treatment, Only to be let down when realising it's based on a book that focuses on the actions taken by the israeli government and Mossad afterwords, And the questions they raised.

    Personnaly i'm happy with both films.

    Regarding Lipnitskaya, I do agree she is not quite there yet in her performance, But i don't agree she isn't expressive,
    I think she's about to be a great performer and i love that she's into Film.

    The program is a tad too much though
    But whatever

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    No, Yulia is very expressive. Comparing, for example, to Yuna who is icy cold and expressionless, Yulia is emotional without having to act emotional. She is natural. She doesn't even know she is emotional. She doesn't even have to do any acting to be a Jewish girl, because when she performs she somehow IS that Jewish girl. And the power of it is that she doesn't even realize that. That's why it is so emotionally strong and captivating.
    When Kim Yuna performs she is very self-indulgent. She is showing "look, I am a diva". And she acts a diva.
    Yulia is just a girl who is portraying a girl. And it's really haunting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CezarMart View Post
    No, Yulia is very expressive. Comparing, for example, to Yuna who is icy cold and expressionless, Yulia is emotional without having to act emotional. She is natural. She doesn't even know she is emotional. She doesn't even have to do any acting to be a Jewish girl, because when she performs she somehow IS that Jewish girl. And the power of it is that she doesn't even realize that. That's why it is so emotionally strong and captivating.
    When Kim Yuna performs she is very self-indulgent. She is showing "look, I am a diva". And she acts a diva.
    Yulia is just a girl who is portraying a girl. And it's really haunting.
    I was never really on Yuna's side as a Mao fan, But come on, You have to hand it to her, Girl is massively talented.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eladola View Post
    I was never really on Yuna's side as a Mao fan, But come on, You have to hand it to her, Girl is massively talented.
    I was talking about emotional connection, not skating talent. I acknowledge Yuna's contribution to FS, possibly she is the #1 ever, but I was never emotionally invested in her. She does nothing for me emotionally. Opposite to Yulia's Red Girl, which is still haunting me. For many recent years I was completely emotionally withdrawn from figure skating, I just didn't care, I was ready to quit watching, but now I am back. She really struck me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaana View Post
    Oh, and people would not know about holocaust otherwise???? Maybe our schools are just better, LOL.


    And if they didn't learn about the holocaust in school, is it not a good thing that things like "Schindler's List" and Yulia's performance can serve to raise awareness?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CezarMart View Post
    No, Yulia is very expressive. Comparing, for example, to Yuna who is icy cold and expressionless, Yulia is emotional without having to act emotional. She is natural. She doesn't even know she is emotional. She doesn't even have to do any acting to be a Jewish girl, because when she performs she somehow IS that Jewish girl. And the power of it is that she doesn't even realize that. That's why it is so emotionally strong and captivating.
    When Kim Yuna performs she is very self-indulgent. She is showing "look, I am a diva". And she acts a diva.
    Yulia is just a girl who is portraying a girl. And it's really haunting.
    While I couldn't agree more with your assessment of Yulia I feel inclined to tell you that you are missing something in Yuna. They are my favorite two skaters and I've compared them a lot. Watch this.

    http://youtu.be/UMuf1MAPHko

    You'll notice both maintain very intent looks on their faces, almost identical into the jumps, which many have called icey and expressionless (robots) interpretating with no feeling. I think they both posses a natural talent to emote beauty without going overboard and using over emotive facial expressions. I think both possess a quality similar to that of a rainbow. You can see it and know it posses great beauty but no matter how hard you try you will never put your finger on it. Yulia has a ways to go for sure but the foundation is there. I feel both use their body as a means of expression and to me that is the secret recipe that suits my taste. But in the end its all personal preference but I just think you should give credit where credit is due. IMO both offer something the other doesn't and both have a natural beauty that we will most likely never see again, by that I mean both are really gifted at being who the are. You cant learn that. Just my two cents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam-Skwantch View Post
    While I couldn't agree more with your assessment of Yulia I feel inclined to tell you that you are missing something in Yuna. They are my favorite two skaters and I've compared them a lot. Watch this.

    http://youtu.be/UMuf1MAPHko

    You'll notice both maintain very intent looks on their faces, almost identical into the jumps, which many have called icey and expressionless (robots) interpretating with no feeling. I think they both posses a natural talent to emote beauty without going overboard and using over emotive facial expressions. I think both possess a quality similar to that of a rainbow. You can see it and know it posses great beauty but no matter how hard you try you will never put your finger on it. Yulia has a ways to go for sure but the foundation is there. I feel both use their body as a means of expression and to me that is the secret recipe that suits my taste. But in the end its all personal preference but I just think you should give credit where credit is due. IMO both offer something the other doesnt snd both have a natiral beauty that we will most likely never see again, by that I mean both are really gifted at being who the are. you cant learn that. Just my two cents.
    Don't get me wrong, I absolutely understand it. It's just very personal. When Yulia performs flawlessly I have tears in my eyes. Just the way it is.

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