Say you put in years of judging at lower levels, watching a lot of bad skating with an occasional highlight, in run-down local rinks, sometimes shivering in hockey boxes when there is no judges' stand, often for hours on end in the cold with few breaks, sometimes with unappealing food served in hockey dressing rooms, etc. etc.
It's not glamorous, but judges do it because they want to support the sport, because they enjoy the process of analyzing skating even when it's not well done, because they occasionally get to see a standout talented skater at the local level, because they like to keep in touch with other officials they met through judging or have known since their own skating days.
Even international judges had to do this in their home countries and often continue to do so -- the sport needs judges to serve all the lower level skaters who may or may not filter up to the higher levels.
And say you're good at it and continue to train (in many cases at your own expense) to get accredited to judge at higher levels, including internationally.
Why go through all that if you won't ever be assigned to judge at that level that you trained for over all those years?
gkelly, thank you for keeping our attention on the fact that figure skating judging must serve the interests of the sport at all levels. not just the final flight at the Olympics.
Thank you for the correct info.
Many of them are. Gusmeroli for example, was in the tech.panel in the ladies event.Do retired skaters ever do any judging? I think it would be great; after all, who knows more than they do about what they're watching?
The ISU has a two-person officials’ assessment commission to monitor major competitions. Each overseer independently watches for anomalies in the scores, reviews them and assesses whether the judges were “correct or incorrect based on the standard.”
Even if both committee members agree there was a discrepancy, they don't know which judge is being assessed and could be penalized, but it would be interested to know the report of this commission about ladies event. Does anyone knows? Is it made public?
Anyway, here is what Karen Butcher said about some aspect of the judging, and I tend to agree with her:
Judging has both objective and subjective marks. There are the technical points for common jumps like a double axel.
"Every skater can do a double axel, so they would get a mark for that, but then there's marks for the way they execute it, which can be more subjective."
Note that here she's referring to a tech.element. Can you imagine about components?
I don't think anyone can honestly say that Adelina Sotnikova did not skate two overall fine programs. She did. Are there flaws in her skill set and interpretation of her programs? Yes. But that does not mean that she was not a worthy candidate for the podium. Depending on circumstances, she could have rightfully won the gold. The thing is that not enough of those circumstances actually occurred.
By being able to elevate her PCS and GOEs in the TES (and under-penalizing her for her fallout on her 3-2-2), after a tech panel had inflated her turn/footwork sequences and dismissed two substantial errors in her first jumping pass, Adelina easily gained an unfair, double digit point total advantage that should have left her with bronze (this is not even accounting for her huge component scores in her SP).
From what I understand, Yuna fairly deserved her Level 3 Footwork/Turn sequence placement due to an error she made in her SP. The thing is she made no such mistake in her FS and was unfairly penalized with Level 3. Additionally, her GOE's in comparison to Adelina's were unfairly suppressed. Before people say that the two judges under scrutiny could not affect the panel enough to make a difference, just note that in her Free Skate, out of Adelina's 33 "3" GOEs she received, a whopping 18 of them came from just two judges! That means out of a possible 24 GOE marks (12 per judge), these judges award Adelina only 6 GOEs below "3"! (and of those, only 2 below a GOE "2"). Were the other judges watching a different skater?
Yes, I know this is skating" and these kind of things happen, but when they happen on a big stage like the Olympics, all eyes are upon the sport. Some people here keep saying that the "eye test" is "6.0 thinking", but in this case, it appears to be borne out by the facts. If this incident was not a matter of corruption, but of by shear bias, it is important that skating identify who these judges are and either reeducate them or get rid of them.
By limiting conflict of interests and obvious bias, fostering education and eliminating anonymous judging. I think skating has a chance to recapture its popularity. If we keep sliding this slippery slope of being equated with staged professional wrestling, the sport will continued to be seen as a joke to the general populace of the world.
While I can perhaps understand these judging selection rules made sense 50 years ago when there are less nationalities competing, but I really think by today's standard, it is hopelessly outdated. This not only disadvantages any minor federations who doesn't have their own judges in the selection, it also disadvantage any run away leader, since it is natural for all federations to pressure their own 'assigned' judges to repress main contenders scores in the interest of 'spread the wealth'.
I much prefer if judges became an independent professional enterprise separate from their own Federations. IOC draw the judges from a pool of hundreds judges from ALL countries regardless if they are taking part at the Olympics, preferably not under anonymity or federation wrangling. A list that is not pubically disclosed until the judges just show up at the competition
Countries are eligible to have judges at the Olympic Games based on the qualification of their skaters for the ladies, pairs, men’s and ice dance disciplines, as long as the country has an eligible international judge.
Does this mean there are a number of spots for the judges as well?
In addition to her gigs as a judge on the Ladies panels at CoC, TEB, Euros, Olympic team and Olympic Singles events (all the events where Adelina skated) Shekhovstseva Refereed Ice Dance at CoR and was the Ice Dance Technical Controller at 4CC.
She wasn't at JW, where Russia had a judge only for Pairs, but I wouldn't be shocked to see her at Worlds in some capacity.
ETA: I could see why she wouldn't be bothered judging ice dance, as Russia didn't have a possible winning horse in the race this year.
That might change though, now that D/W and V/M have left the building.....
There are 9 other ISU-qualified judges who could have been selected for the Ladies panels on which Mme Piseev served. My guess is the Russian federation didn't trust the other 9 judges to score Sotnikova correctly.....And that only serves to underscore the ruminations of Vassily Solovyov in another thread on this forum, where he comments on the buildup of Sot's PCS scores throughout the season culminating in a huge boost at Sochi. One also has to wonder how much influence Mme Piseev's presence on so many panels wields on other judges...
Incidentally, note that the infamous Yuri BALKOV not only turned up on the Olympic ladies panel, but he was also on the JGPF Ice Dance panel and on the Junior Worlds Ice Dance panel this past week. He gets around quite a bit, too.