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    Ice dance rule changes for 2014-2015

    Ice dance rule changes for 2014-2015:
    I think other threads have touched on these, but the relevant excerpt from IceNetwork is below.

    New rules will change the look of ice dance next season

    Gilles Vandenbroeck, technical controller of the ice dance event and member of the ISU dance committee, held a meeting to inform interested coaches, skaters and judges about changes in the ice dance rules for the 2014-15 season. An official ISU communication is forthcoming soon.

    The required pattern dance in the senior short dance is the Paso Doble, but only one section of the compulsory must be done. Teams must also execute creative steps to the Paso Doble rhythm that the technical panel will grade according to the same key points used to grade the pattern dance section.

    Junior dance teams must include two sections of the Silver Samba pattern dance in their short dances next season. This is proving controversial, as many coaches feel the sections take up too much time and do not leave room for the choreography of the rest of the program.

    In both the junior and senior free dance, the number of lifts will be reduced by one in order to leave more time and energy for dancing and choreography. In addition, teams may choose whether to do a choreographed lift, as they did this season, or a "choreographic spin movement," which is new for the 2014-15 season.


    http://www.icenetwork.com/news/2014/...-gold-in-sofia (Mar 14)

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    Reducing the lifts will be a good way to kill off any general interest in the sport. Again, the ISU shows that its collective IQ still has yet to climb out of negative numbers. Honestly, you would think someone is paying them to screw up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WeakAnkles View Post
    Reducing the lifts will be a good way to kill off any general interest in the sport. Again, the ISU shows that its collective IQ still has yet to climb out of negative numbers. Honestly, you would think someone is paying them to screw up.

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    This compromise is a great idea as it will mean that couples will need to really focus hard on the dancing aspect of ice dance. In recent years it has become increasingly athletic so this is a good step.

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    Also,they need to let the compulsory portions go. People said that the compulsories were like the musical scales of ice dance. Yes, its important that every musician practices their scales but the general audience doesnot pay to go to a concert and watch a musician play scales!
    Yes keep the pattern dances for the novice and lower levels and ice dance couples should continue to use compulsory dances for training purposes (just like how some singles skaters can benefit immensely if they practiced figures to learn how to do all figure skating steps and turns properly) to learn their skating vocubulary but to be asked to integrate a set pattern dance into an original work just doesnt go well with me. This years quickstep pattern in the junior division is a great example of this. The rigid steps of the quickstep pattern didnt go well with the music most of the time.

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    I think that having one less lift makes sense because there were so many of them. But if they want to remove something, why not the spin which has NOTHING to do with Ice Dance and shouldn't be there in the first place?

    Quote Originally Posted by GF2445 View Post
    Also,they need to let the compulsory portions go. People said that the compulsories were like the musical scales of ice dance. Yes, its important that every musician practices their scales but the general audience doesnot pay to go to a concert and watch a musician play scales!
    You can't govern a sport by doing 'what the audience wants to watch.' Yes, it's something to keep at the back of your head but you need to think about the integrity first and foremost. Following the 'pleasing the audience' way of thinking, skating would turn into some 'pro' cheesefest from hell. Also, people might think that they want to see A or B but not think about the wider implications of that.

    Compulsory dances force skaters to execute steps precisely in time to the music and without any added speed building movements in between. They ensure Ice Dancers have to keep on all the things that are essential to Ice Dance.

    As for them being boring, if you're a good team and are confident doing them, you can add little flourishes like head and arm movements and really sell them well. As a compromise, you could work on developing new ones that would be more interesting. I thought Finnstep was really fun.

    I would add one more keypoint so that it's 4 for Lv4, 3 for Lv3, 2 for Lv2, 1 for Lv1 and 0 for LvB.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blades of Passion View Post
    Twizzle sequences need to go away as a required element. Twizzle turns can already be featured plenty in footwork sequences. Let teams do stand-alone twizzle sequences as an optional element in the FD if they want to.
    They should stay. They are the hardest turns in skating and the ones executed in footwork sequences are nowhere near as complex. They are the jump equivalent in Ice Dance. The level of difficulty means they are really hard to execute to a high standard or even cleanly. They provide the suspense and they are easy to understand for the general audience, well to an extent anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GF2445 View Post
    This compromise is a great idea as it will mean that couples will need to really focus hard on the dancing aspect of ice dance. In recent years it has become increasingly athletic so this is a good step.
    Imagine. A sport becoming increasingly athletic. Oh, the horror!

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    Quote Originally Posted by WeakAnkles View Post
    Imagine. A sport becoming increasingly athletic. Oh, the horror!
    Ice Dancing after all is more art, lol

    I wonder if they did this shift considering D/W and V/M have retired, D/W pushed the envelope in innovative lifts
    but since they retired they want now all dancers do have equal chances ? its still not right
    even I/K have been pushing difficult lifts, this new rule is a step backwards in ice dancing

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    Lifts are only elements teams are changing every year. Spins, twizzles and steps usually looking same. If they want more dance, they should remove spin not lift. Why take out 6 seconds wow factor but not 15-20 seconds meaningless dance element.

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    Not too important in regards to the rule changes; but does that mean the maximum score for the free dance will drop with the removal of a lift?

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    Quote Originally Posted by elle_e View Post
    Not too important in regards to the rule changes; but does that mean the maximum score for the free dance will drop with the removal of a lift?
    I hope not. I like how the maximum total score is now around 200 points (200.50 to be exact) for senior ice dance. If they do remove it and dont change the scoring, the maximum toal score will be 195 points.

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    Twizzle sequences need to go away as a required element. Twizzle turns can already be featured plenty in footwork sequences. Let teams do stand-alone twizzle sequences as an optional element in the FD if they want to.

    I completely agree that spins should go away as a required element in dance as well. Why were they ever forced to do this to begin with? Just stupid. Again, let spins be an optional element for teams in the FD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blades of Passion View Post
    Twizzle sequences need to go away as a required element. Twizzle turns can already be featured plenty in footwork sequences. Let teams do stand-alone twizzle sequences as an optional element in the FD if they want to.

    I completely agree that spins should go away as a required element in dance as well. Why were they ever forced to do this to begin with? Just stupid. Again, let spins be an optional element for teams in the FD.
    Maybe they shouldve kept the same number of lifts but instead giving couples the choice of either doing twizzles or the spin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blades of Passion View Post
    Twizzle sequences need to go away as a required element. Twizzle turns can already be featured plenty in footwork sequences. Let teams do stand-alone twizzle sequences as an optional element in the FD if they want to.

    I completely agree that spins should go away as a required element in dance as well. Why were they ever forced to do this to begin with? Just stupid. Again, let spins be an optional element for teams in the FD.
    LOL! If twizzles, spins, and lifts are eliminated from ice dance, we are back to simply compulsory dances. Talk about boring. It will kill ice dance for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by golden411 View Post
    The required pattern dance in the senior short dance is the Paso Doble, but only one section of the compulsory must be done.
    I'm thrilled to hear this. I can't wait to see the individual takes on this.

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