So in 70% pf the trials there is no worse than a 5 to 4 split of the judges. That is no surprise, just from eyeballing the numbers -- pretty even, with a tiny edge to Kim in ordinals as in total. I think we are stymied now without further information from the ISU (which will not be forthcoming). If in fact it turned out that, say, there was a 6 to 3 split (probability only 2.8% in this calculation) then we could move forward.
Please take a look in the mirror. I didn't even bother to address any of your posts, because most of you are actually rather rabid and without content safe for a vindictive delight in attacking others. You, my dear, are as PERSONAL as you can be in your above post in your relentless attack on me.
Please you Yuna fans, have some class,
I point out that Mathman's scenario 2 of assuming cheating on the part of judges is based on a twisted pretzel logic that would be almost implausible. Pointing out the fallacy of this logic is NOT attacking him, ok?
Someone who ISN'T YUNA winning the OGM is not equal to cheating, ok?
As it turns out, statistically, based on PCS which are more evenly distributed, the probability of of 3 vs 6 judges acting to upset the entire contest is unsurprisingly low!
Another fact I want to remind is that the SP judging in fact favored Adelina MORE, as Yuna had a higher BV yet her margin of winning is very small. The panel of SP judges comprise mostly of non ex-Soviet Europeans. I have yet to see a blow by blow "proof" of cheating based on the SP judging and judges.
Like I said, almost ALL of the world's mainstream press and media reported on the results of Sochi, statistically, how many % questioned the results?
Yuna fans claimed a MAJORITY of public opinion agrees with them, based on repetitious echo chamber pinging of the same quotes over and over, opinions actively sought and amplified. Truth lies in a real statistical compilation of ascertaining Sochi results dissent as a % of total reporting.
And I don't mean Korea or Russia = World, so whose cognitive dissonance here, really?
It is neither logical nor illogical to speculate about whether the judges are saints or sinners. This question is beyond the scope of both logic and statistics, without further information.
That's my wishy-washy story and I'm sticking to it!
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Edited to add: By the way, I think that is why the Korean Federation took the route of basing their complaint on the slender reed of hugs and kinship. If you challenge the marks of the judges and the decisions of the technical panel, all they have to say is, "Well, yes, I really did think that Sotnikova's wonderful program deserved a 9.5 in choreography. I don't really care what other judges thought about it at Cup of Russia." Or, "Did I miss an edge call? Oh, darn!" This is just chit-chat, not evidence of anything.
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The media outlets that questioned the results and reported on the suspicions of fraudulent judging included (off the top of my head): CNN, NYTimes (yes, there was an article other than the jumps comparison), the Atlantic, Yahoo, Vanity Fair, New Yorker, USA Today, ESPN, Washington Post, Wall Street Journal, the Chicago Tribune, Slate, LATimes. That's covers just about all the major news outlets in the United States and together, reaches nearly all of the U.S population. Add to that several of the most popular skater blogs (The Skating Lesson being one) voiced dissent with the results, and the majority of the commentators (who aren't Korean judging by their grasp of the English grammar) agreed with the dissent. Outside of the US: International Business Times, France's L'Equippe, China's Xinhua, Japan's JapanTimes, the German newspapers, Britain's BBC, which are all national newspapers.
Most of these newspapers didn't tiptoe around the issue. ESPN's headline was "Russian Homecooking", and JapanTimes was "Judges steals Kim's gold and hands it to Sotnikova!". So I'm not sure where you're getting your grandiose claim of "ALMOST ALL the world's mainstream press concurred with the results". What is your statistical notion of "majority of mainstream opinion"? 2?%?