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    Quote Originally Posted by noskates View Post
    This may not be a popular opinion but I'm sorry to see this happening. And why did they wait so long to do it? Why not file the complaint immediately after the competition? This will set a precedent and every time a skating federation thinks their skater was judged unfairly they'll file a complaint. In my mind it would be better to "fix" the judging panel and how they're chosen (if that is indeed an issue) and just move on. Yuna has moved on!!! It's over.
    Not an unpopular opinion with me, noskates; I totally agree! While we (that is, the ISU) can tweak the scoring system to its heart's content, and perhaps judge selection can be improved, figure skating by its very nature will always have a subjective element to its appreciation and judging. Therefore, what you predict about every federation following this lead every time they are disappointed, would certainly develop, and ultimately be much worse for the sport than occasional controversial placements.

    I think of 2 asides, also. #1, just a personal observation---although I was never a big Plushenko fan to begin with, my opinion of him, more personally than as a skater, took a steady downward path, the more he ranted and carried on about the 2010 Olympic result. Though I also thought he was wrong, that wasn't even the point in my mind---I just couldn't stand how loudly dismissive and ungracious he continued to be over time. I think Yuna is handling her situation in a much better manner thus far.
    #2: I have to just wonder if the timing of the Korean filing has anything to do with world politics at the moment. By its actions in Ukraine, Russia has managed to stir up and alienate most of the world, so it seems that a protest which might involve allegations of Russian corruption might be especially welcomed by a world unhappy with Russia anyway just now. Just a thought off the top of my head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gmyers View Post
    Getting gold to Yuna Kim and stripping Adelina of her medal and disqualifying her needs proof of wrongdoing.
    You keep talking about stripping Adelina of her medal. This will not happen regardless of what they discover because it would invalidate the entire results (so Yuna's and Carolina's medals would get stripped too). There is no fair way of remedying the situation (including a gold to Yuna and taking away Adelina's gold- it should not happen).

    Please stop focusing on Adelina's gold and start focusing on the problems in judging system. Get the Feds out of the judging business!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackPack View Post
    Just curious... how many threads are there regarding Adelina and Yuna? Have there ever been more? Thousands of posts on this forum alone.
    There have been a lot of them. The moderating staff has been working overtime to combine and merge threads on the same topic. That is why we now have only a few Adelina-Yuna threads, but they are very long.

    Back in the day we used to try to get a thread up to 100 pages just to see if we could do it. Only a Michelle Kwan thread had a chance back then, if I remember correctly.

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    My guess is that Korea has now younger generation skaters coming up and wants to ensure their performance is "fairly" judged in the future. I doubt anyone is seeking a 2nd gold from Sochi. Like many have pointed out, Yuna has moved on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by capcomeback View Post
    You keep talking about stripping Adelina of her medal. This will not happen regardless of what they discover because it would invalidate the entire results (so Yuna's and Carolina's medals would get stripped too). There is no fair way of remedying the situation (including a gold to Yuna and taking away Adelina's gold- it should not happen).

    Please stop focusing on Adelina's gold and start focusing on the problems in judging system. Get the Feds out of the judging business!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ven View Post
    No, it doesn't. Yuna handles herself like a woman with poise in just about everything she does, including in this case. Your little girl Julia was just that an immature little girl falling all over the ice. That will be her legacy.
    I normally agree with you, but that is pretty mean. Julia is a great talent. She did benefit from euroflation like Adelina, but that is not her fault.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckm View Post
    IMO, the technical panel is just as suspect as the judging panel, if not more so.
    Agreed. I'm sure that some of any investigation would include the TP within its scope.

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    So have the Adelina-Yuna threads exceeded the Michelle threads? The truth is fans live for the drama. They need it. The judges are only giving them what they want

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    Quote Originally Posted by skatedreamer View Post
    Get a grip. They wouldn't take away Adelina's gold unless she was actually involved in wrongdoing and somehow actually colluded w/ the judges or something. No one is alleging anything like that. A more likely scenario is for a 2nd gold to be awarded, as happened in SLC pairs event in 2002.
    This would be the wrong move. The results should stand as they are - regardless if the outcome of the investigation. There is no fair way to remedy the situation, I mean, should you award Carolina a gold too (people feel she was underscored too)? Let's just fix the process for the future

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    This is ridiculous. Your precious little Yuna LOST and lost fairly. Why wait until now?! Just to stir up the crazies again and see how many more death threats and abuses the Yunafans can hurl at a 17 year old girl?

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    I would think if the Judges stand by their scores; they would welcome an inquiry like this? I think it's a good thing. The scores and medal outcome were absolutely no fault of Adelina- and as most have said I doubt any medals will be stripped. I have the highest respect for Olympic athletes- but I think the standards of a win need to be transparent and fair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by karne View Post
    This is ridiculous. Your precious little Yuna LOST and lost fairly. Why wait until now?! Just to stir up the crazies again and see how many more death threats and abuses the Yunafans can hurl at a 17 year old girl?
    I am no Yuna fan (but admire her as a skater and a person).

    There is no doubt that Adelina is taking the brunt of a lot of undeserved hate right now, but if you can prove to me that she won "fair and square" without saying "because that's the way the judges voted" (or some facsimile), I'll stop posting.

    South Korea has every right to protect their future skaters. By protesting now, they will hopefully get some support from the media and get the ISU to fix this mess for the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ranjake View Post
    and as most have said I doubt any medals will be stripped
    Oh, no no no. You see, the Korean Fed is trying to make this LOOK all classy and graceful like, no, we don't want medals stripped, just questions answered BUT if it was to turn out that there was some form of corruption, then of COURSE the medals would be stripped!

    Tacky, graceless, classless, like pretty much every reaction out of Korea since Yuna did not skate well enough for gold - except for Yuna's reaction herself, which was pleasure in her silver medal and congratulations to Adelina, thus proving extremely classy and an infinitely better person than a lot of her fans/supporters/federation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pangtongfan View Post
    So says the Chanbot who whines two months later he didnt win the LP of the Grand Prix final (and likely still will be for another 30 years atleast), in an event he clearly wouldnt have won anyway, and ensured Hanyu's PCS next to Chan's were only due to the Japanese location (yet they ended up even closer at the Olympics, epic fail as usual on your behalf). I only talked about Pang & Tong being ripped off of the bronze (which many others still talk about) for a couple hours. Then again I am talking to the individual who claims I am obsessed with Sandy Lrnz when I have made all of 4 posts about her in my whole time on this forum.

    It does not matter if the medal placings in the other 3 disciplines were arguably right (and even then you could argue dance gold vs silver, bronze vs 4th, pairs silver vs bronze vs 4th). The placings of EVERYONE in the field matter to them, not just the medal winners. A skater who ended up 15th then when they deserved 12th were just as hard done by as someone who deserved a gold medal or medal and did not get it. Furthermore scores that are completely inaccurate to the performances in atleast a relative sense is not something that is acceptable either.
    The scores are not acceptable, but there is no fair remedy. As it is under the purview of the Olympics and not the ISU, I don't think the IOC would condone a complete re-scoring/re-placement of the entire ladies field, so let's nip this kind of talk in the bud, because it is not productive. Let's fix the judging system and stop such future cheating/incompetence/gross bias or whatever else might have happened here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by karne View Post
    Oh, no no no. You see, the Korean Fed is trying to make this LOOK all classy and graceful like, no, we don't want medals stripped, just questions answered BUT if it was to turn out that there was some form of corruption, then of COURSE the medals would be stripped!

    Tacky, graceless, classless, like pretty much every reaction out of Korea since Yuna did not skate well enough for gold - except for Yuna's reaction herself, which was pleasure in her silver medal and congratulations to Adelina, thus proving extremely classy and an infinitely better person than a lot of her fans/supporters/federation.
    This is foolishness. No medals will be stripped regardless of the outcome. That is the sotbots' biggest fear. Maybe if we hold their hands long enough maybe they won't worry so much.

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