Patrick Chan is my favorite European skater.
If Plushenko was in a wheel chair he would have won.
Plushenko in a wheelchair would have skated a cleaner LP than the majority of the men.
Oh wait, I can't laugh about that...
Patrick Chan is my favorite European skater.
If Plushenko was in a wheel chair he would have won.
No, but it is your biggest fear. I repeat, for the millionth time in a row (OK, I'm exaggerating...). It won't get stripped!
I feel as if people are biased to look fair.
Scores at Sochi was very hard to understand. But it feels like everyone is saying o well, there may have been some overscoring but it happened let's move on. besides, it's nobody's fault because adelina probably didn't make it to happen and it's unfair to bash her.
Regardless of the fact that it's probably a long shot to change the results I think there should legitimately be more outrage about the results and judging for the sake of FS. If anyone honestly, wholeheartedly believes that Adelina deserved the score of 224.59 i think he/she is delusional. We all know that judging FS will always be somewhat subjective and up to personal taste but that's exactly why the standard of judging needs to be transparent and up to the consistent standard that rules provide. That wasn't done at the olympics and I think any talk besides that is very off the point.
I think part of the problem is us, the fans, eating up the results of flawed judging, seeing it as problems of emotional fans and national pride.
but it would be nice if it led to more accountability and transparency in the judging process. At the very least there should be stricter guidelines for panel selection to avoid conflicts of interest or the inclusion of officials who have been found guilty of cheating. Athletes who spend their lives training should all have a fair shot-no matter which country they represent.
Did I seriously just read that. This isnt even an opinion but a flat bold faced lie. It does not matter what YOU or I think in this case, you are speaking of others and inventing something that is not true. The U.S is basically the ONLY commentary crew in the world (along with Russia I would guess) who didnt get into the controversy. The Canadian, British, German, Italian (yes Italian), French, Japanese commentators were all irate with the judging and the results. Katarina Witt called it one of the worst results in skating history, you know the multi Olympic Champion ladies competitor. You know it is better to say nothing at all about something you obviously know NOTHING about then to make up a random guess at something, hoping that you were right and nobody else would notice, and end up looking like a clown in the end.
You are always so nasty pang. So yeah, Katarina was not happy. I have a life, albeit a hard one, and have not followed this terrible travesty as the REAL WORLD news is enough to perseverate about. You have been irate about YuNa not getting gold. Maybe medication would help? It has been a while. So list all the incredible experts that said YuNa was robbed. Someone always is in the Olympics. But why so upset only about one placement. The judging bias affected everyone. Do you care about them? However many you list who disagreed are also very biased YuNa fans and do not like IJS and are upset for a long time over the sport matters more aspect.
The men's event should be the focus of how lousy IJS is, the expectations of transitions from crazy setups, etc. The ladies, a few actually did this IJS stuff well- Sotnikova's program was an IJS masterpiece-ugly, uninspiring-yet she ticked off all the boxes very well. She did it better than Yuna can at age 17 and not injured. What is the upset about? Adelina is a great IJS product. And since when doesn't the home team get more support? Russia had it down. Total silence for any non Russian, and likely intimidation to judges and tech specialists. This result should surprise no one and is not the worst I've seen.
Many commentators don't care for her LP but admitted she won and they prefer YuNa. Michelle Kwan was won. There, I have trumped the former Stasi spy Katarina Witt. Who listens to her anyway? Her scores were inflated. She got beauty points too like Yuna. For every person you say picked Yuna as winner, others can be found to say the opposite. The older 6.0 skaters would not like Adelina's skating or that fugly program. It was the putin Olympics. It could have been worse, really.
Why is the Korean Fed doing this now???? YuNa was crying-why????? Upset over silver or relieved. I have avoided most all the threads. There is no way to satisfy an uber. YuNa did lose. She was "tepid" according to Paul Wylie, a great skater, a premier artiste of the 6.0 era. I am surprised anyone still cares. We cannot fix the judging in ISU. Only the insiders can do things to imrove the IJS. I think this is a dead issue and it makes the Korean Fed look a bit silly. So list your experts, Pantongfan, but leave your nastiness aside. No need. She lost to a very technically good skater. At least it was not ridiculous like the Vancouver win over a girl who did 3 triple axels. That was overscoring. If it was Peyongchang, Yuna would win. So what else is new? Yawn.
You are always so nasty pang. So yeah, Katarina was not happy. I have a life, albeit a hard one, and have not followed this terrible travesty as the REAL WORLD news is enough to perseverate about. You have been irate about YuNa not getting gold. Maybe medication would help? It has been a while. So list all the incredible experts that said YuNa was robbed. Someone always is in the Olympics. But why so upset only about one placement. The judging bias affected everyone. Do you care about them? However many you list who disagreed are also very biased YuNa fans and do not like IJS and are upset for a long time over the sport matters more aspect.
The men's event should be the focus of how lousy IJS is, the expectations of transitions from crazy setups, etc. The ladies, a few actually did this IJS stuff well- Sotnikova's program was an IJS masterpiece-ugly, uninspiring-yet she ticked off all the boxes very well. She did it better than Yuna can at age 17 and not injured. What is the upset about? Adelina is a great IJS product. And since when doesn't the home team get more support? Russia had it down. Total silence for any non Russian, and likely intimidation to judges and tech specialists. This result should surprise no one and is not the worst I've seen.
Many commentators don't care for her LP but admitted she won and they prefer YuNa. Michelle Kwan was won. There, I have trumped the former Stasi spy Katarina Witt. Who listens to her anyway? Her scores were inflated. She got beauty points too like Yuna. For every person you say picked Yuna as winner, others can be found to say the opposite. The older 6.0 skaters would not like Adelina's skating or that fugly program. It was the putin Olympics. It could have been worse, really.
Why is the Korean Fed doing this now???? YuNa was crying-why????? Upset over silver or relieved. I have avoided most all the threads. There is no way to satisfy an uber. YuNa did lose. She was "tepid" according to Paul Wylie, a great skater, a premier artiste of the 6.0 era. I am surprised anyone still cares. We cannot fix the judging in ISU. Only the insiders can do things to imrove the IJS. I think this is a dead issue and it makes the Korean Fed look a bit silly. So list your experts, Pantongfan, but leave your nastiness aside. No need. She lost to a very technically good skater. At least it was not ridiculous like the Vancouver win over a girl who did 3 triple axels. That was overscoring. If it was Peyongchang, Yuna would win. So what else is new? Yawn.
She lost to a very technically good skater. At least it was not ridiculous like the Vancouver win over a girl who did 3 triple axels. That was overscoring. If it was Peyongchang, Yuna would win. So what else is new? Yawn.
Classy person usually doesn't choose to stay away when the crime is committed. Classy person would do something or try to do something to stop the crime. Cyberbullying, death-threat is a crime. Yuna fans are doing it against Adelina. Yuna is quiet with crime being comittied by her fans because of her. Why? Maybe she doesn't want to lose some of her fans even knowing that they are criminals.But I have long thought that Yuna has been overscored - for years. And it irks me that there has been so much abuse and hatred directed at a young girl who isn't even an adult yet! - all in the name of Yuna being "robbed". Yuna herself is happy, cheerful, classy. Her fans/supporters/fed could take a lesson from her.
"makeup of the judging panel and whether a fair judgment was possible"Without Yuna Korea is trying to protect their figure skating legacy for the future. The feeling is that the judges are potentially pro-Europe these days and they are hoping that the ISU makes it harder to allow such biases creep into these panels.
Knowing the ISU, they will probably just try to sweep the whole thing under the rug, but it would be nice if it led to more accountability and transparency in the judging process. At the very least there should be stricter guidelines for panel selection to avoid conflicts of interest or the inclusion of officials who have been found guilty of cheating. Athletes who spend their lives training should all have a fair shot-no matter which country they represent.
Knowing the ISU, they will probably just try to sweep the whole thing under the rug, but it would be nice if it led to more accountability and transparency in the judging process. At the very least there should be stricter guidelines for panel selection to avoid conflicts of interest or the inclusion of officials who have been found guilty of cheating. Athletes who spend their lives training should all have a fair shot-no matter which country they represent.
Hi everyone, this is my first post here. I can’t contribute any technical knowledge to the discussions but Russian is my first language so that comes useful sometimes. Seeing that we are over 200 pages on this thread and no end in view, I decided to check what people on other side of the ‘barricade’ think, off I went and read all 94 pages of a ladies Olympics LP thread on one of Russian fs forums. It made an interesting read! I was pleasantly surprised that there is a lot of warm affection towards American skaters, Gracie & Polina especially, Ashley too. Carolina is simply adored by most, Yuna is well respected but not particularly liked. Mao much loved. But to business! Comparing what people write here and ‘there’ about judging controversy I can report one major difference: most people here suspect biased judging in Sochi, but all people there take it as a fact. There is universal acceptance that Adelina’s win was helped by Lakernik & Co. Opinions on whether she did deserve to win differ somewhat but that it was indeed a home cooked win not doubted at all! Even those who think that she did deserve OGM, admit that it is forever tainted and not as enjoyable a win as it could be, given this is the First OGM for Russian ladies. Do we need to say more? One more observation, general public in Russia ie people who watch FS once in four years were more upset that Julia did badly than that Adelina won. Julia has become a people’s princess these Olympics, the nation took her into their hearts, she is Julie (affectionate from of Julia) to all… I don’t think Adelina ever will be as popular and it doesn’t help that she comes across as rather arrogant in her interviews. Well, that’s about all I wanted to say. And yes, I am not Julia’s fan nor Yuna’s or Carolina’s. I do dislike Adelina’s style of skating but wishing her well all the same. (emphasis mine)
This is an effort to try to take sotnikovas gold away and give it to Yuna. I am not saying a total investigation and release of all scores makes that a guarantee just that the issue is that revoking of sotnikovas gold is the number one priority. Because that is the number one priority is might happen.
You keep talking about stripping Adelina of her medal. This will not happen regardless of what they discover because it would invalidate the entire results (so Yuna's and Carolina's medals would get stripped too). There is no fair way of remedying the situation (including a gold to Yuna and taking away Adelina's gold- it should not happen).
Please stop focusing on Adelina's gold and start focusing on the problems in judging system. Get the Feds out of the judging business!
You are always so nasty pang. So yeah, Katarina was not happy. I have a life, albeit a hard one, and have not followed this terrible travesty as the REAL WORLD news is enough to perseverate about. You have been irate about YuNa not getting gold. Maybe medication would help? It has been a while. So list all the incredible experts that said YuNa was robbed. Someone always is in the Olympics. But why so upset only about one placement. The judging bias affected everyone. Do you care about them? However many you list who disagreed are also very biased YuNa fans and do not like IJS and are upset for a long time over the sport matters more aspect.
The men's event should be the focus of how lousy IJS is, the expectations of transitions from crazy setups, etc. The ladies, a few actually did this IJS stuff well- Sotnikova's program was an IJS masterpiece-ugly, uninspiring-yet she ticked off all the boxes very well. She did it better than Yuna can at age 17 and not injured. What is the upset about? Adelina is a great IJS product. And since when doesn't the home team get more support? Russia had it down. Total silence for any non Russian, and likely intimidation to judges and tech specialists. This result should surprise no one and is not the worst I've seen.
Many commentators don't care for her LP but admitted she won and they prefer YuNa. Michelle Kwan was won. There, I have trumped the former Stasi spy Katarina Witt. Who listens to her anyway? Her scores were inflated. She got beauty points too like Yuna. For every person you say picked Yuna as winner, others can be found to say the opposite. The older 6.0 skaters would not like Adelina's skating or that fugly program. It was the putin Olympics. It could have been worse, really.
Why is the Korean Fed doing this now???? YuNa was crying-why????? Upset over silver or relieved. I have avoided most all the threads. There is no way to satisfy an uber. YuNa did lose. She was "tepid" according to Paul Wylie, a great skater, a premier artiste of the 6.0 era. I am surprised anyone still cares. We cannot fix the judging in ISU. Only the insiders can do things to imrove the IJS. I think this is a dead issue and it makes the Korean Fed look a bit silly. So list your experts, Pantongfan, but leave your nastiness aside. No need. She lost to a very technically good skater. At least it was not ridiculous like the Vancouver win over a girl who did 3 triple axels. That was overscoring. If it was Peyongchang, Yuna would win. So what else is new? Yawn.