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    This is what failing businesses often do. Random, radical facelifts that don't really address the root problem because that would be too psychologically uncomfortable.

    Too many fans lost too much confidence in the judging process in 2002 and the ISU hasn't done enough to win it back. Not nearly enough. Sochi was like a nail in the coffin and I'm really wondering if there will be ISU figure skating in 2016.

    The ISU is like one of those failing restaurants on Kitchen Nightmares, only there's no Gordon Ramsay to come to the rescue.

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    Yes, absolutely.

    Cinquanta was flat-out LUCKY to become ISU President right when skating hit the absolute height of popularity. Anyone with a good head on their shoulders could have easily negotiated huge television contracts at that point in time. He has not helped figure skating, in the long run he has only hurt it immensely, and he needs to go away. The ISU in general needs to completely change how they operate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evangeline View Post
    As much as I'd love to see Ottavio Cinquanta booted off the ISU, the problem with getting rid of Cinquanta is the very real possibility that someone even worse--say, Dider Gailhaguet--will end up replacing him.
    As I said on the thread about the proposal to eliminate short programs, why is one man allowed to stay at the top of an organization for this many years? How many terms has he been President now?

    It's ridiculous. It seems like he's been ISU President since I was in high school. And Dider Galihaguet has controlled French skating for too long. Same problem. Men like this take control and stay in charge for decade after decade. ENOUGH!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan O View Post
    why is one man allowed to stay at the top of an organization for this many years? How many terms has he been President now?
    Widespread corruption and incompetence. I don't care what he's supposedly done for the sport. It is simply impossible for one person to be in such a position of power for so long and to not abuse their power.
    One person in charge too long will eventually reach the stage where that person is no longer any benefit whatsoever and is an active element of destruction.

    If the ISU doesn't realize that then it deserves its imminent collapse and my only question is how (and if) figure skating will be represented in the 2016 olympics. At this rate I don't see the ISU surviving (and generally think that's a very, very, very good thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anna K. View Post
    Uhm, and how can justifying fixes like in Sochi help a small and delightful country? Is Australia up to hosting Winter Olympics yet?

    I somehow missed five Japanese men at Worlds but I have to give you the credit for adding "little country PCS" to skating terminology
    *groans* There was no fix in Sochi. What happened in Sochi was no different to what happens to American skaters in America, Canadian skaters in Canada, Japanese skaters in Japan...

    Anyway, Australia doesn't have enough snow. Well, not enough in easily-accessible-close-to-big-cities anyway.


    The argument about the five Japanese men was one I had with someone elsewhere before the Olympics. There is a group of people out there who were very strident about kicking the small countries out of the Olympics so they could send five Japanese men because "it's just not fair".

    A little country will do better under this system than they will under a system run by the big countries, for that system will be built only to serve their big-country interests, and they won't give two hoots about the little guys.

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    so now if speedy will get rid of the SP.. with the best skating we've seen in the world championship.. so what now?? speedy should start fixing the judging system first!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blades of Passion View Post
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    Yes, absolutely.

    Cinquanta was flat-out LUCKY to become ISU President right when skating hit the absolute height of popularity. Anyone with a good head on their shoulders could have easily negotiated huge television contracts at that point in time. He has not helped figure skating, in the long run he has only hurt it immensely, and he needs to go away. The ISU in general needs to completely change how they operate.
    yup. bang on!

    What I just cannot come to grips with on this matter is why the skating federations, like (for instance) Skate Canada, JSF and USFSF, have failed in their duty of public trust in not acting against this guy and speaking out against him, and the ISU, or trying to effect meaningful change. Or do they like him?

    This is all so depressing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by karne View Post
    A little country will do better under this system than they will under a system run by the big countries, for that system will be built only to serve their big-country interests, and they won't give two hoots about the little guys.
    What makes you think that the existing system is not run by “the big countries”?

    *groans* There was no fix in Sochi. What happened in Sochi was no different to what happens to American skaters in America, Canadian skaters in Canada, Japanese skaters in Japan...

    I absolutely agree that we don’t have to deal with an exception in the case of infamous Sochi results; it’s obviously a system. However, we definitely talk about artificially manipulated judging, call it a “fix” or whatever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by karne View Post
    *groans* There was no fix in Sochi. What happened in Sochi was no different to what happens to American skaters in America, Canadian skaters in Canada, Japanese skaters in Japan...
    Categorically false.

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    Wouldnt it be interesting to sit and watch an ISU meeting and observe the atmosphere and the politics of the ISU.
    people say that the ISU is dysfunctional and disorderly. Its actually very functional and extremely orderly- but this orderly and functional union is run by corrupt people.

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    Nature abhors a vacuum.

    Say Speedy goes away.

    Who are your candidates for replacing him?

    Is Didier really second in line? Who's 3rd? 4th?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackPack View Post
    Nature abhors a vacuum.

    Say Speedy goes away.

    Who are your candidates for replacing him?

    Is Didier really second in line? Who's 3rd? 4th?

    It's not just the chairman problem.
    There are not that many people involved in figure skating and they have all been connected. Considering what the system has been like all this time, it’s actually impossible to carry through the desired wipe-out and replace them with “better ones” in administration boards and judging panels.

    That’s why I keep insisting on technological revolution: it’s the only non-violent revolution know. It changes people’s lifestyles without necessarily making people change or become different. Sci-fi as it is, it’s still the most realistic hope for real reforms

    Except: technology measurements have to be invented in all other jumping-acrobatics disciplines first (figure skating is the oldest so it can be accordingly expected to be the most conservative). For that, all other disciplines have to reach the limits in their development so that the winner has to be decided by nuance that is hard to capture by an eye. That might take a decade or two. I don’t think I’ll survive that long – and I’m actually not sure that figure skating will

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blades of Passion View Post
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    Yes, absolutely.

    Cinquanta was flat-out LUCKY to become ISU President right when skating hit the absolute height of popularity. Anyone with a good head on their shoulders could have easily negotiated huge television contracts at that point in time. He has not helped figure skating, in the long run he has only hurt it immensely, and he needs to go away. The ISU in general needs to completely change how they operate.
    One big mistake is to hold the World Championships at the same time as the US collegiate basketball tournament ( March Madness ). The metropolitan newspapers are filled with page after page of basketball news and not a SINGLE mention of figure skating. The Worlds would get better coverage if it were held just before or just after this basketball tournament.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sgsmozart View Post
    One big mistake is to hold the World Championships at the same time as the US collegiate basketball tournament ( March Madness ). The metropolitan newspapers are filled with page after page of basketball news and not a SINGLE mention of figure skating. The Worlds would get better coverage if it were held just before or just after this basketball tournament.
    Yes the whole world revolves around what USA does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sgsmozart View Post
    One big mistake is to hold the World Championships at the same time as the US collegiate basketball tournament ( March Madness ). The metropolitan newspapers are filled with page after page of basketball news and not a SINGLE mention of figure skating. The Worlds would get better coverage if it were held just before or just after this basketball tournament.
    Because obviously the WORLD championships should be based on the USA's sporting seasons.

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