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    Quote Originally Posted by NMURA View Post
    In economic terms, there are only benefits.

    Hey, again!

    Since when saving leads to economic benefits? Which country do you live in? Hasn't saving led to shortages everywhere in your place (should I consider emigration)

    You can only expect benefits if you're saving your wage. In business, the more you invest, the more returns you have. Shortages lead to shortages. I don't see how figure skating as a business might benefit from that except in form of bribery

    Actually, we might bet but we should agree upon terms and conditions

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    There are no words...

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    According to my estimation, the percentages of jumps in the BV will increase by eliminating the SP. It's about 5-6% for men, and 8% for ladies. This means that skaters will be inclined (or forced) to upgrade their technical contents. More difficult quads for men, more 3A and "quads" for ladies. That is the real progress for the sport. More "young" fans will be attracted. Surely Mr Cinquanta wants that.

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    to me it hurt the sport instead of help it.

    I would like to see give out medals in short/long program at Olympics rather than 1 performance.

    1) If go through give mandatory deductions not maybe , but mandatory -10 total for tes/goes for 1 fall, goes up per fall like a total -12 for 2 fall,
    -15 for 3 falls and so on. it hurts the performance,
    a) for ur/s , wrong edge, double footing give out -6 total on tes/goes ; not maybe -2, for this skater -3 for that skater, but mandatory
    for each skater
    2) Use your computers--
    3) Don't drop high and low marks or scores, count them all
    which might help do away with anomonymous judging
    4) fine federations, judges through sponors by telling sponors to hold back, isu hold back a portion of that countries sponsorship money in lieu
    of a fine.
    hold federations,judges accountable even isu accountable.

    5) find out why viewers no longer care/watch.
    use tweeter, facebook, find out why and ask them what changes would make -how to get them back especially in u.s. don't just use
    skating venues ask espn in magazines,twitter, out of ordinary places
    ask why don't watch/like figure skating and what would you do changes in scoring, to make you watch.



    why trying to save money. isn't the sport getting it.

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    Time to start a petition to get rid of speedy. The man is on a power trip and he is destroying the sport. He is trying to divert attention away from his part in the farce of the Sochi judging scandal. He needs to go now and all his hench men too. They need to clean up the judges first and foremost. Get rid of the short program and secret judging?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NMURA View Post
    According to my estimation, the percentages of jumps in the BV will increase by eliminating the SP. It's about 5-6% for men, and 8% for ladies. This means that skaters will be inclined (or forced) to upgrade their technical contents. More difficult quads for men, more 3A and "quads" for ladies. That is the real progress for the sport. More "young" fans will be attracted. Surely Mr Cinquanta wants that.
    Cinquanta doesn't give a flying you know what about that. And why do you think that base values would increase if the short is eliminated? My guess is, particularly if the interest is saving money, that there will be no scoring changes to the LP. Scoring changes require changing the computer program and retraining judges. Those things cost money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ven View Post
    Looks like Cinquanta created this pot stirrer as smoke and mirrors to push aside the judging controversy discussion at Worlds.
    DING DING DING DING!!!!!

    We have a winner.

    Emoting about this now will mean it worked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mafke View Post
    DING DING DING DING!!!!!

    We have a winner.

    Emoting about this now will mean it worked.
    Did it? One of Cinquanta's statements has been to keep the judging anonimous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NMURA View Post
    According to my estimation, the percentages of jumps in the BV will increase by eliminating the SP. It's about 5-6% for men, and 8% for ladies. This means that skaters will be inclined (or forced) to upgrade their technical contents. More difficult quads for men, more 3A and "quads" for ladies. That is the real progress for the sport. More "young" fans will be attracted. Surely Mr Cinquanta wants that.
    Huh? How is elminating SP will attract more young fans?? Your logic makes no sense at all. Also what makes you think skaters will be doing harder jumps if there is no SP, other than so called "your estimation"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anna K. View Post
    Did it? One of Cinquanta's statements has been to keep the judging anonimous.
    I don't think this is a distraction technique. I don't think he cares about what anyone says or thinks about the judging issues. He said there wasn't an issue and that conflicts of interest are not a problem and, in his head, that is over.

    This is about leaving his mark on both sports prior to his exit in two years--notice he pointed out it all must be done prior to 2016 when he and others are no longer in their ISU positions. Whether it is to their benefit or not doesn't concern him. It is all a power trip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ven View Post
    Looks like Cinquanta created this pot stirrer as smoke and mirrors to push aside the judging controversy discussion at Worlds.
    Quote Originally Posted by louisa05 View Post
    This is about leaving his mark on both sports prior to his exit in two years
    Nah, it's because at the Olympics, skaters came perilously close to beating Kim's World Record total score. And that was designed to be impossible. Slightly reducing the points available to skaters, apparently wasn't enough to seal it.

    So, to ensure that Kim's score can never be beaten, and that she will remain "queen" forever... they need to remove the entire SP - and along with it, a huge swathe of the points available to skaters. Simple!

    I'm joking of course.

    OR AM I?! haha! :-D

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    Quote Originally Posted by NMURA View Post
    If they have only FREE, I expect more competitions will be aired. For TV stations, one thing bothering is the long time frame needed. Especially for casual viewers, watching 3-4 hours and still only a half of the game, that's too redundant. I know many of them consider the SP just as qualification rounds. New fans can be attracted by reducing time. Broadcast rights related revenues for the ISU won't be reduced.
    They only air the "free" programs now in the US, if at all. Eliminating the short program will make no difference at all in terms of number of competitions aired. What should happen is to once again make the short program the technical program and the long program the free skate. That would bring back artistry and creativity, which is what really would attract more fans.

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    At this point I don't know why I even follow figure skating.
    They've completely taken the "figure" out of the sport and now want to reduce it to just one long program.
    The scoring system is all messed up, protecting the judges is just plain wrong and so many "performances" are so uninspired.
    Yes, being a Debbie Downer. Crappy day resulting in crappy post

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    Never, never, please

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    Quote Originally Posted by jenaj View Post
    They only air the "free" programs now in the US, if at all. Eliminating the short program will make no difference at all in terms of number of competitions aired.
    That makes sense. Why to have a competition that isn't aired anyway?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amer View Post
    At this point I don't know why I even follow figure skating.
    Why, you can watch a once popular sport going down-down-down

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