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Elena Ilinykh & Nikita Katsalapov Split
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http://isuprod.blob.core.windows.net/media/155347/gp_dance.pdf
Ilinykh/Zhiganshin:
Cup of China and Rostelecom Cup
Sinitsina/Katsalapov:
Rostelecom Cup and NHK Trophy
Ilinykh/Zhiganshin:
Cup of China and Rostelecom Cup
Sinitsina/Katsalapov:
Rostelecom Cup and NHK Trophy
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Entries for Grand Prix are interesting…like usual.
Why are S&K listed at two Grand Prix events when Zueva noticed that they plan only one?
If it is true, it will be interesting which one. Home advantage (and also Russian Fed on their side at home) or event where they will avoid I&Z?
With two Grand Prix events S&K have a chance to meet all their rivals for medal at Russian Nationals.
I&Z will start at Cup of China, so no home advantage.
I&Z’s second start will be at home BUT….Russian Fed looks to support more S&K and Tarasova looks to love Bukin, so I quess that this will be a tough event for I&Z despite the fact that they will skate home Russian Fes will probably try to influence judges to give higher marks to S&K and S&B.
Russian Federation gave Ilinykh/Zhiganshin two spot and one of them is CoR. 
I thought they will only send I/Z to some senior B while they will give all the GP spots and home advantage to Sinitsina/Katsalapov. 
Why not?
Go Elena and Ruslan!
I think that is good russian federation did pick Stepanova/Bukin and Sinitsina/Katsalapov same event before nationals. Both teams skated same gala couple of weeks ago and I can tell you there will be big battle for last russian spot on the team between S/K and S/B. Of course I'm fully behing Stepanova/Bukin.
I thought they will only send I/Z to some senior B while they will give all the GP spots and home advantage to Sinitsina/Katsalapov. Why not? Go Elena and Ruslan!
I think that is good russian federation did pick Stepanova/Bukin and Sinitsina/Katsalapov same event before nationals. Both teams skated same gala couple of weeks ago and I can tell you there will be big battle for last russian spot on the team between S/K and S/B.
Of course I'm fully behing Stepanova/Bukin.
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Sam! It's not kind to hurt our wounded spirits with the likes of old Elena/Nikita pics, haha.
But really, as excited as I am to see the battle begin between all of these exes, I'm still a little upset that a split happened at all. Hopefully we get at least one team from this split that will have made it worth it (in terms of selfish viewer enjoyment purposes).
What actually annoys me in all this , is the way, some russian posters in russian forums,and most of the times,fans or 'friends' of certain groups try to create impressions and then take them around for a walk in english speaking forums as well.
And the fact that some of them, try to create the impression of IZ being underdogs,thinking they can make it come true this way.It's been going around for a while now, and I guess it's not working. One could easily say IZ would get no events, and compete in some obscure Senior B like Elif said, given the way things are presented. And then , we all take a look at a training video, where these poor underdogs have almost mastered IK's signature lift in a couple of months, and do another one, and it's as if Zhiganshin is lifting a rag doll ( which drops the theory of heavy Ilinykh as well)
Sometimes I wonder what this woman has done to those people over there to be something like the female version of poor Evgeny Plushenko for them.
And CoC, traditionally is something like CoR and even better for russian skaters, the whole contigeon is working for them. TAT's opinion, who really cares about TAT's opinion, she's the one complaining no one cares.She wanted Bukin in the team, she got SZ, maybe she wanted Ilinykh for Bukin again, a lot of maybes to be honest, but we really overestimate Tarasova's power. Yes, she's loud and she can be annoying and maybe it's good to have some drama and present I/Z as the poor underdogs and doubt if they will compete or not, start rumours, create gossip, spread it all around.
The fact is, they still got two of the best events for Russian couples, so maybe, someone kind of believes in the guys.
And the fact that some of them, try to create the impression of IZ being underdogs,thinking they can make it come true this way.It's been going around for a while now, and I guess it's not working. One could easily say IZ would get no events, and compete in some obscure Senior B like Elif said, given the way things are presented. And then , we all take a look at a training video, where these poor underdogs have almost mastered IK's signature lift in a couple of months, and do another one, and it's as if Zhiganshin is lifting a rag doll ( which drops the theory of heavy Ilinykh as well)
Sometimes I wonder what this woman has done to those people over there to be something like the female version of poor Evgeny Plushenko for them.
And CoC, traditionally is something like CoR and even better for russian skaters, the whole contigeon is working for them. TAT's opinion, who really cares about TAT's opinion, she's the one complaining no one cares.She wanted Bukin in the team, she got SZ, maybe she wanted Ilinykh for Bukin again, a lot of maybes to be honest, but we really overestimate Tarasova's power. Yes, she's loud and she can be annoying and maybe it's good to have some drama and present I/Z as the poor underdogs and doubt if they will compete or not, start rumours, create gossip, spread it all around.
The fact is, they still got two of the best events for Russian couples, so maybe, someone kind of believes in the guys.
Its unpleasant yes, but I figure its just fans trying to defend S/K. Many, and I do mean many have really taken offence at how he and Vik handled their split. Also seeing how Lena and Rus have been progressing has irked some in their camp. I/Z have been very smart, they have not been promoting or praising themselves or each other in the press. I like their attitude. I could be wrong, but they may be the only new russian pairing we haven't seen on ice, yet.
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It's actually IZ fans who are the biggest culprits of the whole world is against Elena trope. They complained that IZ were put in reserves when basically every new team was put in reserves. They complained that the lack of press coverage for IZ is viewed as the federation isn't supporting them, nevermind all the press coverage in April. Yanovskaya saying she missed Sinitsina is viewed as a sign that the whole Kustarova group was against Elena. Heck, the fact that Ruslan did the talking in that video instead of Elena is viewed by the IZ fan group admin that Elena is unhappy.
While SK have alot of support, the truth is IZ have been given money to pay for two top notch choreographers and two GP assignments when they could easily have been given to Zenkova and Sinitsyn. SK may be the chosen ones but money for Najarro, Averbukh, and Latvia isn't coming from Ruslan's and Maxim Kuyrdyukov's auto business.
While SK have alot of support, the truth is IZ have been given money to pay for two top notch choreographers and two GP assignments when they could easily have been given to Zenkova and Sinitsyn. SK may be the chosen ones but money for Najarro, Averbukh, and Latvia isn't coming from Ruslan's and Maxim Kuyrdyukov's auto business.
I/Z (and S/K) were given preference for GP spots under the ISU's split couple rule, nothing to do with the Russian Federation, and Zenkova & Sinitsyn were not guaranteed anything because they haven't got the results to qualify for automatic places.
I would guess that the federation would have rather not had both teams facing each other at CoR (unlike your implication, I'm one of the numerous sane Lena fans who doesn't think the Fed is against them, they aren't going to bet everything on S/K when neither team has competed - maybe you should stop reading the hysterical ramblings of the teenies on FSO...), but as the GP fields for dance are down to 8, they had to use the host picks to be sure that both teams got 2 spots & a chance to get to GPF.
If you would read all topics in Russian Forum you would notice that all skaters are criticized by some members too much, I don’t know why, but it is so for a very long time. Some members of those Forums simply like making bad words about ALL skaters, not Lena only.
But let’s move on.
In comparison with Ilinykh & Katsalapov…in Kustarova / Alexeeva / Riabinina’s group Lena looks to execute lifts more easy, Ruslan looks not to be shaky like Nikita was. If it is caused by Lena loosing some weight or if the couple together started to build better lift habbits, it is hard to say…
I totally don’t agree with you as to press support…while I&Z did about 9 articles (only 2 of them were long) in 3 months….S&K and Zueva did 8 articles in 4 days…
Plus whole propaganda at Gala where commentator was again and again repeating how much beautiful S&K are, how much talented they are, new Russian hope, nobody like them skated in Russian before, only Navka was on their level etc.
And Trankov supporting Nikita at Gala but also supporting his idea to split with making an interview where he created a little skinny boy from Ruslan (while Nikita is only 2 cm higher than Ruslan), so Vika had to find taller mature man Nikita.
In press there was an announcement that Sinitsina & Katsalapov will get a money support from Fed, but no straight confirmation about I&Z – maybe yes, maybe not.
Why already in 19th of May the press talked about S&K like another confirmed duet, in 28th of May Sinitsina & Katsalapov were officially confirmed like a new couple….but only in 5th of June Ilinykh & Zhiganshin were oficially confirmed?
As to published articles:
Lena – one article from 4th of April about a split, another about a tryout with Ruslan
Ruslan – one article from 7th of April about a tryout with Lena
Kustarova – one shorter article from 7th of April, one long article from 13th of June
Alexeeva – one shorter article from 7th of April, very short article from 17th of April
Vaitsekhovskaya – one report from 22th of April
Vaitsekhovskaya’s long interview with Lena from 7th of May
Of course people from Russian Federation, Trankov etc. noticed S&K in many interviews or articles plus video from gala, but I took only different articles (not the same article re-wrote in different pages) of Zueva and S&K plus three other articles about official confirmation, about financial support and by one author who simply loves them…
http://rsport.ru/figure_skating/20140413/742845516.html
…13th of April…where Zueva confirms that a couple arrives today to her…
http://itar-tass.com/sport/1134406
...20th of April...Zueva says that S&K will have only a tryout with her…
http://www.rsport.ru/figure_skating/20140425/743764433.html
…25th of April…Nikita confirmed that he gave no comment at Internet…
http://www.rsport.ru/figure_skating/20140427/743911057.html
…27th of April…Zueva: Sinitsina and Katsalapov are connected with very light Russian style
http://rsport.ru/figure_skating/20140519/747018287.html
…19th of May…Zueva’s interview…“Overall those four blue eyes are amazing for me…“
http://itar-tass.com/sport/1195841
…19th of May…interview with Zueva…The Dance duet of S&K may continue training in USA…“Frankly I am very pleased what we reached in last time…“
http://fsrussia.ru.3s3s.org/news/12...borachivatsya-nazad-ni-v-koem-sluchae-nelzya/
…29th of May…Viki and Nikita…they can’t look back to the past…
http://fsrussia.ru/news/1239_marina...glyadet-zrelym-muzhchinoj-ryadom-s-viktoriej/
…28th of May…Zueva: Nikita started to look like a mature man…
http://rsport.ru/figure_skating/20140529/749031748.html
…29th of May: Sinitsina &Katsalapov feel comfortable in Zueva’s group
http://rsport.ru/figure_skating/20140530/749309352.html
…30th of May…Katsalapov told that opening period with Sinitsina was easy…
http://rsport.ru/figure_skating/20140530/749309352.html
…30th of May…Katsalapov hopes that he will open himself with Sinitsina…
http://rsport.ru/figure_skating/20140530/749314967.html
…30th of May…Katsalapov makes a maximal goals….
http://rsport.ru/figure_skating/20140531/749500922.html
...31th of May Sinitsina & Katsalapov……Nikita says that they felt a responsibility
http://rsport.ru/photo/20140601/749590746.html
…1st of June…photos of Sinitsina & Katsalapov and OTHER skaters…5 photos of Vika and Nikita, only 2 photos of Silver and Gold Olympic Medalists, Silver European and World Medalists Stolbova & Klimov, only 2 pictures of Gold Olympic Medalists Adelina Sotnikova, 2 photos for Zabiako & Larionov and Davankova & Enbert, one photo for Slutskaya…
http://www.dni.ru/sport/2014/6/2/271643.html
…2nd of June…Katsalapov about positive sides of Sinitsina…
http://rsport.ru/figure_skating/20140602/749788559.html
….2th of June…Zueva: S&K will start with free dance in 9th of June
http://www.sports.ru/tribuna/blogs/lubimoefigurnoekatanie/622086.html
…2nd of June…the author praises S&K…
http://news.sport-express.ru/2014-06-05/705235/
…from 5th of June…a confirmation about two new couple – S&K and I&Z – by Gorshkov
http://rsport.ru/figure_skating/20140605/750273718.html
…from 5th of June…trainings of Sinitsina & Katsalapov will be financially supported by Russian Federation.
http://www.team-russia2014.ru/article/figur/17287.html
…6th of June…Katsalapov: The first season will be difficult for our couple
http://www.sovsport.ru/gazeta/article-item/717195
…6th of June…Zueva: I am simply proud of working with such couple like Sinitsina & Katsalapov
http://www.sovsport.ru/news/text-item/717209
…6th of June…Zueva: S&K will compete at one Grand Prix…
http://www.sovsport.ru/news/text-item/717201
…6th of June…Katsalapov: I made a decision…
http://www.sovsport.ru/gazeta/article-item/717274
…6th June…Zueva: I liked I&K so much…how is Nikita great dancer, how she was suprised when he called her, that short dance will be passionate etc.
Zueva is more expensive that Navarro and Averbukh together. US trainigs are x-times more expensive than trainings in Europe or in home town. Zueva is much more expensive than Kustarova. Zueva with those at least ten-fifteen-twenty specialists – you must all pay them (Nikita talked about more specialists than he was used to – and he was used to coach-choreographer, assistent of coach, Tarasova who helped them, ballroom dancer, Ludmila Vlasova – former ballet coach, ballet dancer for Swan Lake – old one, young ballet dancers, specialists from Cirque du Soleil for lifts, coach for condition – Leonid Raitsin, costume designer, coach for box lessons, dancers from Brodway, some summer lessons from Sphilband and Grishuk…).
ISU rules caused that I&Z got two Grand Prix, it was not Russian Fed, who decided it, they only allowed them to compete there.
As to Grand Prix comparison – S&K got more easy one. Cup of China is more difficult because there are three couples from top 10 from World Champs 2014 including the winners C&L, S&S finished in 6th place, P&I were10th. Papadakis came in 13th place, and she is French number one right now. On the other hand NHK Trophy has W&P only like straight winners, other couples are – Zhiganshina & Gazsi, who finished 11th at World Champs 2014, Coomes & Buckland who are known for great lifts, but very poor technique, 9th place at World Champs 2014, Reeds who finished 18th, Hawayek & Baker who just finished with juniors and have no reputation in seniors, Monko & Khaliavin who are strong but they never competed at European or World Champs and don’t have Grand Prix medal yet, so their reputation is not too strong in the eyes of judges. So, yes, S&K have more easy Grand Prix.
I also noticed the strange tendency of some people to make rumours about I&Z. Why many people criticized Vika and Nikita for their poor behaviour towards their ex-partners and lying attitudes…some people try to persuade others that Lena and Ruslan…1) have problems on the ice, especially with lifts, 2) have problems off the ice as well, 3) are constantly falling (yes, I already read this), 4) are just splitting, 5) will never compete at some event.
In the same moment when those strange rumours crosses boards….Lena and Ruslan are 1) inviting Navarro and Averbukh to work with them, 2) Ruslan builds muscles and Lena looses weights, 3) they are learning new lifts including a Swan lift which is new for Ruslan, 4) they work with ballroom dancers, 5) Lena makes plenty of happy photos with Ruslan or with whole group, 5) Lena invited Ruslan to be a support for her at the Olympic ball where she met Nikita with Vika, 6) the video from practises in Liepae appears, 7) Kustarova makes positive but realistic interview about the couple.
I don’t believe that strange rumours are made by I&Z’s fans, they would hardly push the couple to split…
Overall I would say that while Sinitsina & Katsalapov are supported by Federation and press, all other Russian couples including Lena and Ruslan are presented like underdogs. There are so many articles about S&K and Zueva, much more than about Monko & Khaliavin, Stepanova & Bukin, Bobrova & Soloviev…why?
I'm reserving my judgement until I see who is in the technical panel.
Russian Federation and Zoueva... I'm not that naive to think they are not planning another CoR 2013 even now I'm reserving my judgement until I see who is in the technical panel.
I completely forgot that travesty of justice. But say what you will all Rus and Lena need to do is make the team, so many people are pulling for them. If they do get out of Russia their scores will reflect their talent. This is the curse of being a russian ice dancer, not blessed by the fed. Rus and Lena BRING IT!!
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