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Thread: Elena Ilinykh & Nikita Katsalapov Split

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snow63 View Post
    Wow. I was on vacation for 2 weeks, and still no new information... Same **** over and over again...
    Any update from the US? What Zueva thinks? Is she enjoying to work with S/K, or is she screaming in horror?
    Answer to myself.

    Zueva: It is a pleasure to work with this couple (S/K). It's only been two weeks since our first training session, and it seems that the train for a long time. This is because guys are very workable and purposeful. But most importantly - style. It should not just be found, and arise, form. It takes time, though now I can see the image, which can associate this pair - it is very bright. Vika eyes - like two blue lake. This is a classic and very Russian couple. But the image - is also a job.

    Source (also more information): http://www.rsport.ru/figure_skating/...743911057.html

    Sorry for google translate. Do not have time to translate this myself

    I guess it's safe to say Zueva wants them pretty bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sky_fly20 View Post
    that put a nail in teh coffin for I/Z, no way now they can compete with S/Z
    they won in the looks now seems Marina approves and they are doing good technically
    You must read properly. Zueva says that a possibility to get speed is phenomenal. But in the same time she says that speed is not all figure skating, but that physiology of the couple is exceptional - long legs, working knees.

    It means that Zueva says that they have speed, but this is not all. The second sentence is quite confusing, while she says that they have great possibility of speed, but then she explains it with long legs!!! (and knee's work also). Does she really thinks that long legs means speed? Irina Sthork? Charlene Guignard?

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    Seeing Sinitsina's skating in her recent Worlds LP didn't impress. Zueva talks about height being a potential generator for speed, but so many factors go into speed. Domnina and Shabalin and Bestimianova and Bukin were tall skaters and also incredibly fast and powerful. Sinitsina really looked like a run-of-the-mill skater. Average twizzler, so-so knee bend/stroking, and her expression isn't earth-shattering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sisinka View Post
    I don't see the same posture like Bobrova had/has. And like somebody noticed Sinitsina and Yanovskaya already learnt good postures. While Bobrova still struggles with her posture even under Zhulin.
    They still have shadows of that bend. Only time I see Sinitsina/Zhiganshin (him too) straight, is their twizzles. Better than Bobrova, still

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    There is still quite a bit of bend in young Kustarovas posture especially compared to the other Soviets. And she can't have been only 14 here (her birth year is 1976)? She looks to be 16/17 at least.

    I find Sinitsina to be a fairly limited performer. She only works well as the object of the male partner's desire so Zoueva will probably give them a VM/GG romantic style. Elena, Nikita, and Ruslan are much more varied performers. If they gave Elena and Ruslan Nelli and Alex's socialite/nerd programs, it could work and an Anissina Peizerat type program could work just as well.

    One more thing: I think whoever wins will be whoever of the four is the best skater. Navka and Fusar-Poli showed us that a truly great skater can take a mediocre partner very far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snow63 View Post
    I guess it's safe to say Zueva wants them pretty bad.
    If V&M and D&W are retiring as expected, that would make sense. Zueva didn't have a couple on the World podium this year for the first time in years. I'm sure she wants to remedy that situation next year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abraxis12345 View Post
    I find Sinitsina to be a fairly limited performer. She only works well as the object of the male partner's desire so Zoueva will probably give them a VM/GG romantic style.
    I'm not sure how romantic style would work with Sinitsina's cold/distant look.

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    Well if she is indeed involved with katsalapov they could demonstrate some chemistry. I just think we will have two promising pairs. As Zueva mentioned S/K are your traditional russian pair, in a light way? (whatever that means) While Rus and Len will be more youthful, dynamic. I just sense this from their previous partnerships. However to be honest I am more interested in I/Z. S/Z sort of have the look of a modern N/K (both attractive, long legged and blond) while I/Z are just completely fresh to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abraxis12345 View Post
    One more thing: I think whoever wins will be whoever of the four is the best skater. Navka and Fusar-Poli showed us that a truly great skater can take a mediocre partner very far.
    True but Niki is no Babs

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    Quote Originally Posted by elif View Post
    I'm not sure how romantic style would work with Sinitsina's cold/distant look.
    Sinitsina isn't cold, just because S/K are threatening for I/Z doesn't mean she's cold
    I can see them fitting fast tempo, tangos, classical, romantic style programs

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    Quote Originally Posted by elif View Post
    They still have shadows of that bend. Only time I see Sinitsina/Zhiganshin (him too) straight, is their twizzles. Better than Bobrova, still
    Hmmm, forget it.
    Let’s make a comparison od I&K and S&Z FD from World Champs, I took mainly moments from step sequences and cross-overs. (Quite visible that I&K really have a lot of spacing between each other). Both couples can skate with nice upper body posture, but in other moments…it is obvious that Nikita is usually more bent forward than Ruslan….and Lena is sometimes slightly more bent forward than Victoria, but I think that Lena bending forward - it can be also influenced by the big spacing between her and Nikita, she simply doesn’t have so long arms, so she must bent forward to take some hold with him. http://i59.tinypic.com/280rvc5.jpg

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackPack
    Seeing Sinitsina's skating in her recent Worlds LP didn't impress. Zueva talks about height being a potential generator for speed, but so many factors go into speed...Sinitsina really looked like a run-of-the-mill skater. Average twizzler, so-so knee bend/stroking, and her expression isn't earth-shattering.
    Victoria is a very good twizzler. From those four - the best is Lena, no doubt about it, the worst Nikita, no doubt about it. Victoria and Ruslan improved a lot in twizzles since last season, they have great ice cover like I&K, but their rotation in twizzles is a little slower in first set than for I&K, but their synchronisation is better.

    Victoria has great knee‘s work, yes, Lena and Ruslan has a little bit more smooth knee‘s work (Alexeeva also mentioned it), but still Victoria’s knees are one of the top 6 at Worlds. (Without Tessa & Scott, it would be in top 4). Even such great technicians like Bobrova & Soloviev has more stiff knee’s work yet than those four skaters (Lena, Victoria, Ruslan, Nikita). It is very visible in FD in both step sequences, and it is more difficult to have deep knees there thanks skating in holds.

    Quote Originally Posted by Abraxis12345
    I find Sinitsina to be a fairly limited performer. She only works well as the object of the male partner's desire so Zoueva will probably give them a VM/GG romantic style. Elena, Nikita, and Ruslan are much more varied performers. If they gave Elena and Ruslan Nelli and Alex's socialite/nerd programs, it could work and an Anissina Peizerat type program could work just as well.
    I find Ruslan the only one from those four who is variable in expression of music. He could be dramatic and demonic in Phantom of The Opera, passionate and flirting in Tango routine, strong, powerful and finally lost in love in this year’s Norma, very latin in 2011/12 Cha-cha SD, cute and playful cowboy in 2012/13 SD, and dancy trumpetist occupying the whole dance floor in this season’s SD. Everytime he was different and very often he was great especially this season. Of course he has still much things to improve to get to such level like previous Russian top dancers – Shabalin, Platov, Zhulin etc.

    I don’t see variety in Lena, Victoria or Nikita. Lena always plays a Hollywood star who tries to suffer and keep smiling to judges. Nikita always plays a man who fell in love with Lena and cherish her like diamant. Victoria is a cute sexy girl who is tempting and soft. In both ex couples – men partners where those with dynamic moves. In both ex couples ladies lacked a sort of dynamic moves. Lena was always bigger exhibicionist who likes attention and smiles to every corner in a very sexy and luscious way. Victoria is more modest and soft, she has more elegant arm moves than Lena, she is more romantic. Lena takes more attention to herself and she is more open to public. Victoria reacts mainly on her partner, she is not putting such attention to judges (this is perfect for all love stories…you can hardly believe Lena that in both Ghost and Swan Lake program she fell in love with Nikita….then with technical specialist…with Referee…with judge number 5 and 7, number 3 and 2….but she smiles and looks and winks at them like they would be included into love story…I hope that Kustarova‘s team will correct this bad habbit). I can imagine Victoria in some sort of music like Russian Version of War and Peace - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k30OO5_nEWY#t=132 , or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mSHQgpeCbQ . But waltz is a very fast dance it would need fast legs and keep the rhythm – first would be problematic for Viki, second for Nikita. Lena is more like a girl from Grease movie, or Dirty Dancing movie soundtrack, but in romantic pieces – she still stays flirtatious and sexy there, she is not changing with music. Nikita is still “falling in love and then fully in love“ style. Last program where his lover tendency was not so obvious was Don Quijote, but it was four years ago. Since that moment he is still showing love emotions, the same emotions, the same dynamics of movements with the same expression (thanks to Morozov almost the same choreo in some parts of programs).

    Quote Originally Posted by sky_fly20
    Sinitsina isn't cold, just because S/K are threatening for I/Z doesn't mean she's cold
    I can see them fitting fast tempo, tangos, classical, romantic style programs
    For S&Z – I think that classical and romatic style would be OK, some sort of not so fast flirting and playful music also (for Viki). I don’t agree with fast music – you need fast legs for it – Nikita starts to be a little bit heavy and Victoria doesn’t have such fast legs. A tango in its classical version is not good choice – Nikita is dynamic, but not passionate, Victoria is mild. Victoria skated Tango with Ruslan, but modern version and she was flirting and playful and sexy – that was great, but Tango feeling (in modern version of music) was added by Ruslan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bramweld View Post
    Well if she is indeed involved with katsalapov they could demonstrate some chemistry. I just think we will have two promising pairs. As Zueva mentioned S/K are your traditional russian pair, in a light way? (whatever that means) While Rus and Len will be more youthful, dynamic. I just sense this from their previous partnerships. However to be honest I am more interested in I/Z. S/Z sort of have the look of a modern N/K (both attractive, long legged and blond) while I/Z are just completely fresh to me.
    I cannot agree more!!!!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sisinka View Post
    I find Ruslan the only one from those four who is variable in expression of music.
    First time I did seen Elena Ilinyhk is Schindler's List FD at JGPF. It was Same year Zaretskis skated with Schindler's List too but not good as I/K. I can't forget this dance. Ruslan still have long long way to reach Elena's level of interpretation. By the way she was 15 year old there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elif View Post
    First time I did seen Elena Ilinyhk is Schindler's List FD at JGPF. It was Same year Zaretskis skated with Schindler's List too but not good as I/K. I can't forget this dance. Ruslan still have long long way to reach Elena's level of interpretation. By the way she was 15 year old there.
    That was also my first intro to them and I was very impressed -- they did not look like juniors to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elif View Post
    First time I did seen Elena Ilinyhk is Schindler's List FD at JGPF. It was Same year Zaretskis skated with Schindler's List too but not good as I/K. I can't forget this dance. Ruslan still have long long way to reach Elena's level of interpretation. By the way she was 15 year old there.
    I agree with Sisinka with most of her comments except for Lena's expression. I would not look at her Morozov years (especially before the OG) as a reflection of her true ability. I truly believed he muted her and placed most of his efforts on Nikita. She was left to fend for herself. (Morozov the low down scum that he is; can't help myself here). But if you look at her Don Quixote, in fact all her work with Zhulin and her Olympic programs you can see she is capable of a variety of expressions. She herself said that Ave Maria was way over her head, however Nikita insisted that they do it, and that was that.

    I will miss not seeing a fully developed jazz routine from them. I think this was good. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTFeDz6ijXo

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