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Elena Ilinykh & Nikita Katsalapov Split

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ElenaNikitaFan

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http://news.sport-express.ru/2014-06-05/705235/
…from 5th of June
…a confirmation about two new couple – S&K and I&Z – by Gorshkov


http://rsport.ru/figure_skating/20140605/750273718.html
…from 5th of June
…trainings of Sinitsina & Katsalapov will be financially supported by Russian Federation. While Minister of Sport told sooner (in April I believe) that S&K’s trainings will not be financially supported in the beginning.
Alexander Gorshkov said that since June financing will have a common mode how always had been. He told that there is no meaning to a fact that a couples trains in new configuration.


Why were Lena & Ruslan confirmed so late – only today, which is five day over final date of 31th of May??? S&K were confirmed one week ago, until 31th of May.

Why the second article confirms financial support for Victoria & Nikita ONLY???? Where is confirmation that Lena & Ruslan will have the same conditions and have the same financing by Russian Federation? What Russian Federation and some journalists try? Two couples changed their partners and right now they are in the same line, at least until first competive results. Why should Lena and Ruslan pay everything on their own while those two who came with idea to destroy two couples and create new one with doing such problems to previous partners get financial support by Federation?

Kustarova / Alexeeva’s group just went to Latvia for training camp, but I think that they should make things clear and ask the confirmation about financial support by Federation also. This is once again a moment which proves that Sinitsina & Katsalapov will be pushed by Federation to become number one of Russian National Team even this season….no money support to Ilinykh & Zhiganshin which can mean poor training conditions = not enought ice… plus Bobrova & Soloviev will be once again forced to change both short and free dance in September, at least twice…plus Stepanova & Bukin – he can get a flu again…
Now I only wait that one of three couples invited by Russian Federation at Cup of Russia will be Sinitsina & Katsalapov…and then we can be almost sure that a speaker will introduce them like the most beautiful couple on the Planet.

Wait, this article doesn't say that IZ won't recieve funding. If it doesn't say anything about it, it doesn't mean they won't get anything, right?? Please tell me there is still a chance.
Something is rotten in Denmark, i.e FFKKR. From this article and the links to the article "Earlier, Russian sports minister Vitaly Mutko reported that the Ministry of Sports will not fund the initial training period and Sinitsina Katsalapova in Detroit", "FFKKR not supported decay duets Il'inykh / Katsalapov and Sinitsyna / Zhiganshin"
Bunch of liars.
 

sky_fly20

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Wrong. If you are great in juniors, overall great, it doesn't mean that you will be great in seniors, because having low expression and dance abilities can't be excused in seniors, while in juniors it is still like - he/she will learn it, look at Bukin, for example.

But having great technique only = deep edges and good knee's work - this is the same for both juniors and seniors. The elements in Ice Dance are almost equal in junior and seniors, in past years there was just one lift more and 30 seconds longer ffor senior free program....so your notice is wrong.

Bobrova & Soloviev left juniors in 2006/07 season, and Sinitsina & Zhiganshin in 2011/12 season. If you are ready to start a discussion that B&S are still juniors for last 7 years...I don't know if somebody will every take you seriously in any way.

we know you love Kustarova and co ( aka Grim reaper coach )
but under Kustarova, B/S did not progress and were being passed by the likes of the Shibs
 

uhh

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I might be reading it wrong, but the quote from Gorshkov in the article about funding says couples, doesn't it? So is that that Ruslan & Elena have their funding from Moscow region - remember the Mosocow region released a statement confirming their partnership last week - & S/K have funding from the central body because they are not attached to a region because they are in the US?
 

kauh888

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Wait, this article doesn't say that IZ won't recieve funding. If it doesn't say anything about it, it doesn't mean they won't get anything, right?? Please tell me there is still a chance.
Something is rotten in Denmark, i.e FFKKR. From this article and the links to the article "Earlier, Russian sports minister Vitaly Mutko reported that the Ministry of Sports will not fund the initial training period and Sinitsina Katsalapova in Detroit", "FFKKR not supported decay duets Il'inykh / Katsalapov and Sinitsyna / Zhiganshin"
Bunch of liars.
It seems that the article that said that S/K's training period in Detroit MI with Zueva was paid for by the FFKKR was an article about Nikita and Victoria. I don't think it mentioned Elena and Ruslan's status in terms of funding, nor was it necessarily supposed to because it was an article about S/K. The article about the confirmation of both couples didn't mention funding. Correct me if I'm wrong (I used translate, but I think [hope for Google's sake] that at least the meaning and basic ideas of the article were quite likely to be correctly translated). So I wouldn't worry about it until we get an "official" (credible) article explicitly outlining Elena and Ruslan's funding status. :)

Personally, I think that it's only fair to give both couples the same support and fair chance. They flipped partners, so each team has the exact same level of past competitive success/experience (meaning like both teams have half of the olympic bronze winning duo, world junior champion duo, etc.), certain members of the 4 ice dancers I, Z, S, and K may have better technique and artistic presentation it may be argued... but unless they based their decision on some other extraneous factors I don't see why they would treat either team differently at least until competition season starts and we see some results and some full competition routines vs. just exhibition programs.
 

surimi

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Personally, I think that it's only fair to give both couples the same support and fair chance. They flipped partners, so each team has the exact same level of past competitive success/experience (meaning like both teams have half of the olympic bronze winning duo, world junior champion duo, etc.), certain members of the 4 ice dancers I, Z, S, and K may have better technique and artistic presentation it may be argued... but unless they based their decision on some other extraneous factors I don't see why they would treat either team differently at least until competition season starts and we see some results and some full competition routines vs. just exhibition programs.

:yes: My thoughts exactly. That is what I *hope* the Federation is doing. There's no telling who will prove to be the better couple, so they deserve equal chances. Only once the season starts will anyone be able to determine which couple is the more promising and made more of the support they got.
 

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It seems that the article that said that S/K's training period in Detroit MI with Zueva was paid for by the FFKKR was an article about Nikita and Victoria.

Wait a minute. Didn't Zueva said that the blond, with 2 blue eyes, Nikita paid her with the his own money, the prize money he got from Sochi? :rolleye:

I might be reading it wrong, but the quote from Gorshkov in the article about funding says couples, doesn't it? So is that that Ruslan & Elena have their funding from Moscow region - remember the Mosocow region released a statement confirming their partnership last week - & S/K have funding from the central body because they are not attached to a region because they are in the US?

I don't know how it works in Russia but that makes sense.
 

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Guys, please do not discuss other posters?

If they write a post that is outside the guidelines, report tbe post.

If they are within the guidelines and annoy you, put them on Ignore.

What you shouldn't be doing is discussing other posters.
 

sisinka

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Wait, this article doesn't say that IZ won't recieve funding. If it doesn't say anything about it, it doesn't mean they won't get anything, right?? Please tell me there is still a chance.
Something is rotten in Denmark, i.e FFKKR. From this article and the links to the article "Earlier, Russian sports minister Vitaly Mutko reported that the Ministry of Sports will not fund the initial training period and Sinitsina Katsalapova in Detroit", "FFKKR not supported decay duets Il'inykh / Katsalapov and Sinitsyna / Zhiganshin"
Bunch of liars.

uhh said:
I might be reading it wrong, but the quote from Gorshkov in the article about funding says couples, doesn't it?

A journalist told that practises of Sinitsina & Katsalapov will be financed by Russian Federation. Gorshkov told: “Financing from June will be done in common mode how always was. As to financing the fact that couples train in new configuration – it doesn’t have any meaning.“ Yes, Gorshkov said couples, not one couple, but if he was really talking about both couples, there would be no reason why wouldn’t a journalist notice it and write both couples S&K and I&Z got funding. It was not an interview with S&K where this would be mention without any notice of I&Z and in this case it woudl be normal. This articles talked about situation in Russian skating and opinion from Russian Federation. Don’t forget that while Sinitsina & Katsalapov were approved at 28th of May, and Gorshkov noticed support since June. While Ilinykh & Zhiganshin were publicly approved in 5th of June. This article talked about funding for S&K only, and Gorshkov quotes were not clear enought to be sure if I&Z were included or not. Thanks to a fact that from the beginning Russian Federation doesn’t take both couples equally, I am not sure at all about the same funding for I&Z until I read it.

What is very important is the fact that thanks funding and Mutko‘s notice some month ago, only Nationals Team couples get financial support – so S&K are already a part of National Team. If I&Z are not financially supported by Fed, it would mean that they are not a part of the National Team.

uhh said:
So is that that Ruslan & Elena have their funding from Moscow region - remember the Mosocow region released a statement confirming their partnership last week - & S/K have funding from the central body because they are not attached to a region because they are in the US?

I don’t think so. Every couple skating at Russian Nationals represents some Russian Figure Skating Club, every club belongs to some region. Both Nikita and Vika are from Moscow region. Having financial support from region only is an disadvantage, because region has many projects to support, while Russian Fed needs to support skaters only. So region will give much much less money to skaters than Federation would give.
 

sisinka

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we know you love Kustarova and co ( aka Grim reaper coach )

Don’t try to change personal with professional approach, Sky_Fly20.
Kustarova learns great technique and her students prove this at every competition, and every Russian knows this. If this info didn’t come to you or to people in Europe / America etc. …this can be caused by Russian Federation who supported Morozov only and the rest of the coaches were not those favourite and propagated. But I can see which couple has poor / good / great technique. And if I see more couples from one coach having good or great technique – then it leads me to think that this coach is a very good technician.

B&S did not progressed like a dancers who would take people’s attention with Kustarova, that is true, but their deep edges, fast skating and overall great skating skills were never under critic. And without any exception all their dances were very technically difficult and demanding (sometimes even overchoreographed with millions movements which I didn’t like, but without great skating skills they wouldn’t survive to the end of the program).

As to costumes it was already discussed also, Lena has her costume designers, she has her make-up stylist (or she does make-up herself), she has her own hair stylist. What do you expect to be a problem?
As to Bobrova’s poor costuming, even with change of coaches costume problems stayed with her. She simply doesn’t have good luck for good costume designer and stylist. Every coach can say his opinion about a dress but the main person is costume designer. You can notice that since 2010/11 season, Bobrova & Soloviev changed costumes throught the season at least once, so probably Kustarova really told: “I don’t like it, make another one.“ But costume designer made even worse version of previous costume. And what you want to do with it? Go and sew costume for Bobrova yourself? Do you know sewing? It is much better to change costume designer. And Kustarova probably did. Since 2012/13 Sinitsina’s costumes improved, they become much more elegant and simple with less “brilliants“ and fit her body building very well.

but under Kustarova, B/S did not progress and were being passed by the likes of the Shibs

Why such notice?
Shibs won over B&S only once at World Champs 2011. Since that time they didn't beat them even once.
Katsalapov lost to Shibs at NHK 2011 and World Champs 2011, NHK 2012, World Champs 2013, NHK 2013. Sinitsina beat Shibs at Cup of Russia 2012 only.
 

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http://www.team-russia2014.ru/article/figur/17287.html
…6th of June
Katsalapov: The first season will be difficult for our couple – judges and audience have to “as it is proper“ get used to us
…Nikita took part in army duty and he is released as well (like other skaters some week ago – Soloviev, Zhiganshin, Khaliavin, Rogonov, Maisuradze). Nikita spend 10 days in Moscow, on Sunday he travels back to Detroit.

How quickly did you find understanding with each other (Vika)?
Nikita: In reality it is possible getting used to each whole life. And to look for something new for whole time. We are the sportsmen of top class and personally I went throught many coaches, different approaches / training systems. Now I totally approach to a practise in different way, more profesionally, more thoughtfully in every movement. First I felt a lot of satisfaction / joy in duet with Vika. We really get used to each other in skating (got synchro) very fast.

Did you already started to create programs?
N: We already work on short dance. Everybody knows that it would be paso doble. And we didn’t start with free dance yet. We are listening to a different music, we choose a direction in which it would be the most interesting to work in and progress in. Just we are going to be interested in this more productively when I arrive in US. It is time to define this.

Is there any direction which you tend towards more?
N: Of course. They are plenty directions and there is a problem. The main thing is to take all under our new couple, new image, our style. Because the first season will be difficult enough – we have a new couple. Judges and audience have to get used to us. Because of it we will take care of it a lot. Mainly it touches judges. Once I did such step, I have to make everything much better.

How much the style will change with new partner?
N: Overall I think that it is possible to work on certain style of every human one. Try to change something. I heard from many people, even from idols, that own style it is that which comes from inside. So with Vika it will go from inside – and it will be our style. That is why I can’t answer to this question yet.

Who will choreographed our programs?
N: Our coach – Marina Zueva. But she will not be the only one. Many different specialists and invited people who only come to my team will help with working, to bring different things. It will be Oleg Epstein and many many other people. One Marina – she will not have cloud over her eyes, a different people from our team will have an opportunity to look from different sides what is better, what is worse. And it is big plus.

Are you going to take part in process of making programs or do you believe to professionals?
N: I am a fan of skater who himself suggest something, then a process goes faster. Whereas many coaches loves it. Yes and I like myself to think and to work on programs with a team, anyway I learn from it. Because of it with Vika we will take part in making programs for sure.
 

elif

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So Oleg Epstein is still there. :think: There was a talk about he didn't like Sinistina's skating skills but some peoples said this rumour is not true because he already left Zoueva.

Thanks sisinka!
 

sisinka

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Some times ago one photographer took some photos with Lena.
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Now the same photographer made photos with Nikita, even one photo together with Victoria.
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…with Victoria

Also Bobrova & Soloviev has black and white photo...from a new book "The Red Book. Olympic Album" with photos of many athletes. But it looks more like a preparation for love and passion story of Anna Karenina. Sorry Nikita, Vika and Lena, this is the most black-white cool, provocative and sexy photo I saw in months. If Vika and Nikita will be able to get such power into their off ice photos and on ice performances, it will be really something then.

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bramweld

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Olympic champion Nikita Katsalapov said in an interview with "Soviet Sport", that he did not want to go back to the topic of his separation with Elena Il'inykh.
- I made a decision. And he was right, I will argue the case. Let the past remain in the past. I do not think it's worth a lot to say, - said the Olympic champion.
Today Nikita Katsalapov discharged from the army, ending his service in Balashikha sportrote. June 9 in Detroit with his new coach Marina Zueva and partner Victoria Sinitsina Katsalapov starts productions any program.

http://www.sovsport.ru/news/text-item/717201

Well Nikita had his chance to be classy but he's not about to take it. So that said I/Z all the way!!:agree:

PS. Take it on the chin Len and Rus and pour everything into great performances.:biggrin:
 

sisinka

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http://www.sovsport.ru/gazeta/article-item/717195
…6th of June
Marina Zueva: I am simply proud of working with such couple like Sinitsina & Katsalapov

She took S&K because of their enormous wish. She is asked very often how is she keeping her motivation throught years, her wish to look for something new, isn’t she tired? She doesn’t know how to answer. She says it is their student’s fault, they create a fire in her. She repeats that Nikita put his prize money into trainings, it speak a lot about him. It is incredibly interesting to work with them. Both Vika and Nikita took all coaches attention, not only Marina’s attention, time runs so fast at practise with Vika and Nikita.

Marina takes care about them. In the beginning Nikita and Victoria lived in a hotel, now they have an apartment. Nikita speaks English very well, not only speaks, but writes and reades liberally. And Victoria learns a language. She is so light, friendly, open girl, that there are many people who willingly help her in Detroit and Vika improves every day. Vika and Nikita stays at practise all the time, everybody leaves but they are on the ice and they don’t want to leave for a long time then…

Marina believes and thinks that Vika and Nikita will get on V&M and D&W‘s level, that is what they work on.

The journalist says that Nikita is called the most talented male dancer on the world.
Marina agrees and says that he has a musical gift. Nikita is so deep and feel music so thinly, so he is able to give his feeling throught his movement so exactly…She says that it is so rarely seen even in case of great dancers. Rare gift.

Marina says that a passion and expression is in short dance, mainly in step sequence. Flamenco is not possible without a passion. And in gala program it was important for her to see how much Nikita and Vika are able to show a relationship of man and woman in details and nuances. They already have an idea of free dance, but she will not open this yet.

Marina says that she is not behind Nikita’s new image. She thinks that such changes shows the inside feelings. That it speaks about his feelings being strong, like spar, that he feels a responsibility for Vika, for his leading role, the role of leader. The man who you can trust fully.
 

sisinka

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http://www.sovsport.ru/gazeta/article-item/717195
…6th of June
Marina Zueva: I am simply proud of working with such couple like Sinitsina & Katsalapov

Marina says that she is not behind Nikita’s new image. She thinks that such changes shows the inside feelings. That it speaks about his feelings being strong, like spar, that he feels a responsibility for Vika, for his leading role, the role of leader. The man who you can trust fully.

This item made me laugh a lot. So if a man has beard and hair style (somebody described it like Burt Simpson hair style) he is suddenly strong, leader in a couple and can be trusted…Lena believed Nikita and he left her. Then Nikita took a beard and another hair style and suddenly a partner may trust him fully. Really?

The journalist says that Nikita is called the most talented male dancer on the world.
Marina agrees and says that he has a musical gift. Nikita is so deep and feel music so thinly, so he is able to give his feeling throught his movement so exactly…She says that it is so rarely seen even in case of great dancers. Rare gift.

Come on Marina. Since what time a critiria for great dancers have changed???
Nikita who skates out of the rhythm for about one quarter of free dance is the best dancer? Nikita whose head forward make his body position look inelegant? Nikita who skated “a man in love with Lena“ style for last three seasons only despite totally different stories and characters he had in programs? I agree that he is one of three best technical male dancers now (with Scott out), from those three he is making the bigger number of mistakes in programs, but his skating skills are indeed great regardless. But rhythm and variability, those are his weaknesses. Hopefully big number of specialists will improve his head position and hopefully somebody will also correct rhythm and low variety issues. But if he is the best male dancer on the world….then we are far from dancing for miles.
 

elif

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Marina says that she is not behind Nikita’s new image. She thinks that such changes shows the inside feelings. That it speaks about his feelings being strong, like spar, that he feels a responsibility for Vika, for his leading role, the role of leader. The man who you can trust fully.

Don't trust Nikita fully. :laugh: :laugh:
 

bramweld

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If he is the greatest ice dancer that we have now, why aren't he and Lena the current World Champions? This is the biggest joke ever, unless he purposely thwarted twizzles.

Marina is so desperate to be on top of the podium this year you can smell it. So W/P, B/S and C/L are all just going to roll over and play dead along with I/Z? Not to mention H/B, H/D, S/S, C/B and G/P? Please people I am begging you she HAS got to eat crow and lots of it this year, PLEASE!!
 

sisinka

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http://www.team-russia2014.ru/article/figur/17287.html
…6th of June
Katsalapov: The first season will be difficult for our couple – judges and audience have to “as it is proper“ get used to us

Sometimes in this article I don’t understand what Nikita wants to say.

And some of his ideas are absolutely wrong – in this part there is Nikita’s fully misunderstanding of what those people and experts wanted to say him.

Nikita: Overall I think that it is possible to work on certain style of every human one. Try to change something. I heard from many people, even from idols, that own style it is that which comes from inside. So with Vika it will go from inside – and it will be our style. That is why I can’t answer to this question yet.

Dancing style can be dramatic or romantic or passionate or crazy etc. Every couple has some image – with help of looking, make-up, hair style, costumes and skating. But in Ice Dancing the best image and style as to dancing is a variability. A couple who can dance romantic things only and nothing else – those are not great dancers and it is even boring. What Nikita probably changed in his brain is the “style of skating“ and “HOW a dancer should dance“. The style of skating can be wild, open, large cross overs, long lines and arcs, big movements against fast short cross overs, hoops and little jumps, small arcs etc., even deep or narrow edges can be described like a part of description of a style of dance couple.
What must come from inside….it is a movement which must be done with your whole body and whole mind into that movement, like it would be the last movement in your life. Your style is NOT defined by your inside world – character – if your are calm, introvert and reasonable, it would mean that you can skate only music and characters which are calm, introvert and reasonable like you are. No. Being great dancer means that you can dance anything even music or characters which are very far from your own personality….but you must live with every movement and that is what comes from inside.

Personally I am quite disappointed that until this time Nikita was not able to understand it. Many people tried to learn him this especially last season. Many times.
 
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