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Thread: Elena Ilinykh & Nikita Katsalapov Split

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    Quote Originally Posted by sky_fly20 View Post
    If I was on the panel, I too will not give them any funding just looking at the pair alone, they are a mismatch couple in both look and technique !
    We're all very fortunate (skaters and fans) that you have decided not to be a judge, otherwise this sport would really be in serious trouble.
    Hearing Cinquanta and hearing you...well, you make him look a genius.
    By the way, stick with the look thing. Technique is really not your forte.

    Quote Originally Posted by bramweld View Post
    Why worry so? Maybe Lena and Ruslan don't need that sort of investment now. You do realize that I/Z represent probably the more more dynamic and technically sound partners? Let it be....this is a marathon not a sprint.
    I agree.


    Quote Originally Posted by sisinka View Post
    Why I agree with other posts by you above, I don't agree with this one.
    Financial support is very important. Today's top figure skating sport especially in Ice Dance Cathegory means that you need a big group around yourself, and every single person you must paid for his/her time.
    First some skating accessories:_
    - skates - about three pair of skates
    - costumes, at least two costumes, but almost all dancers have more costumes for whole season (Lena had eight costumes for competitions plus gala costumes last season)

    - then training camps

    And people around you:
    - coach, assistent of coach
    - choreographer (two competive programs, plus gala program)
    - athletic coach
    - masseur
    - ballet coach
    - dance coach
    - lift's coach
    - sometimes you need a doctor too
    If you want to have the best specialists in every discipline, those people are expensive.

    And don't forget about competitions - money for travelling there (you have to pay your coaches travelling as well), money for being able to compete at certain competition.

    Maybe I forgot something...but this is all very very expensive.
    Elena, Ruslan and their coaches knows how all this works and the costs. So, if they've decided to stay an compete I think they know how and where to find the money. I'll not worry about that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bramweld View Post
    This. I see it only when you guys respond. Please don't feed the troll. Why can't sky_fly just post in the S/K fan fest? Why can't she/he/it be happy there?
    Because she feels lonely there. I'm not surprised since all she can say is pretty, hollywood, beautiful, thin, fat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elif View Post
    This is chance for Kustarova and Zoueva to prove themselves. Zoueva had to prove she can create good team without Igor. Kustarova had to prove she can be also good presentation coach.
    Agreed. V/M and D/W were good, but they were coached for a long time by BOTH Igor and Marina before the split. Igor was the technique taskmaster in that coaching pair, and Marina was more of the presentation side. It is difficult to get presentation right when technique is not there yet. It will be interesting to see how S/K do because this is Marina's turn to technically train the skaters from the basics and pull together a good artistic image by herself (with supporting coaches).

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    Quote Originally Posted by sky_fly20 View Post
    Kustarova is a junior skaters coach, her students have a hard time transitioning into seniors
    doesn't mean great juniors you'll be great technicians in seniors
    Wrong. If you are great in juniors, overall great, it doesn't mean that you will be great in seniors, because having low expression and dance abilities can't be excused in seniors, while in juniors it is still like - he/she will learn it, look at Bukin, for example.

    But having great technique only = deep edges and good knee's work - this is the same for both juniors and seniors. The elements in Ice Dance are almost equal in junior and seniors, in past years there was just one lift more and 30 seconds longer ffor senior free program....so your notice is wrong.

    Bobrova & Soloviev left juniors in 2006/07 season, and Sinitsina & Zhiganshin in 2011/12 season. If you are ready to start a discussion that B&S are still juniors for last 7 years...I don't know if somebody will every take you seriously in any way.

    Kustarova students have a hard time in technique in seniors? How did you explore this? B&S winning two silver medals at European Champs and wining senior Grand Prix under Kustarova are "having hard times"? Yes, they had trouble with packaging and costumes and make-up and they were not always clean, but this is all something else then technique.
    Sinitsina & Zhiganshin 4th place at European Champs and 7th place at World Champs is "having hard times"?
    I would kindly announce you that whole career of very talented I&K, the couple who Russian Federation took like the Gods on the ice - have silver medals only also, no Gold medal at European Champs, no Grand Prix win, no World Champs medal. And by the way I&K results at their first senior year was exactly the same like Sinitsina & Zhiganshin's results this year (taking Nationals, European and World Champs). So what are you talking about???

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    sisinka: I admire your perseverance on the education of skyfly.

    I belive it was Julie Andrews who said "Perseverance is failing 19 times and succeeding the 20th."
    You are at your 99 times attempt, maybe at your 100 times you'll get there, hopefully.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sisinka View Post
    http://news.sport-express.ru/2014-06-05/705235/
    …from 5th of June
    …a confirmation about two new couple – S&K and I&Z – by Gorshkov


    http://rsport.ru/figure_skating/20140605/750273718.html
    …from 5th of June
    …trainings of Sinitsina & Katsalapov will be financially supported by Russian Federation. While Minister of Sport told sooner (in April I believe) that S&K’s trainings will not be financially supported in the beginning.
    Alexander Gorshkov said that since June financing will have a common mode how always had been. He told that there is no meaning to a fact that a couples trains in new configuration.


    Why were Lena & Ruslan confirmed so late – only today, which is five day over final date of 31th of May??? S&K were confirmed one week ago, until 31th of May.

    Why the second article confirms financial support for Victoria & Nikita ONLY???? Where is confirmation that Lena & Ruslan will have the same conditions and have the same financing by Russian Federation? What Russian Federation and some journalists try? Two couples changed their partners and right now they are in the same line, at least until first competive results. Why should Lena and Ruslan pay everything on their own while those two who came with idea to destroy two couples and create new one with doing such problems to previous partners get financial support by Federation?

    Kustarova / Alexeeva’s group just went to Latvia for training camp, but I think that they should make things clear and ask the confirmation about financial support by Federation also. This is once again a moment which proves that Sinitsina & Katsalapov will be pushed by Federation to become number one of Russian National Team even this season….no money support to Ilinykh & Zhiganshin which can mean poor training conditions = not enought ice… plus Bobrova & Soloviev will be once again forced to change both short and free dance in September, at least twice…plus Stepanova & Bukin – he can get a flu again…
    Now I only wait that one of three couples invited by Russian Federation at Cup of Russia will be Sinitsina & Katsalapov…and then we can be almost sure that a speaker will introduce them like the most beautiful couple on the Planet.
    Wait, this article doesn't say that IZ won't recieve funding. If it doesn't say anything about it, it doesn't mean they won't get anything, right?? Please tell me there is still a chance.
    Something is rotten in Denmark, i.e FFKKR. From this article and the links to the article "Earlier, Russian sports minister Vitaly Mutko reported that the Ministry of Sports will not fund the initial training period and Sinitsina Katsalapova in Detroit", "FFKKR not supported decay duets Il'inykh / Katsalapov and Sinitsyna / Zhiganshin"
    Bunch of liars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sisinka View Post
    Wrong. If you are great in juniors, overall great, it doesn't mean that you will be great in seniors, because having low expression and dance abilities can't be excused in seniors, while in juniors it is still like - he/she will learn it, look at Bukin, for example.

    But having great technique only = deep edges and good knee's work - this is the same for both juniors and seniors. The elements in Ice Dance are almost equal in junior and seniors, in past years there was just one lift more and 30 seconds longer ffor senior free program....so your notice is wrong.

    Bobrova & Soloviev left juniors in 2006/07 season, and Sinitsina & Zhiganshin in 2011/12 season. If you are ready to start a discussion that B&S are still juniors for last 7 years...I don't know if somebody will every take you seriously in any way.
    we know you love Kustarova and co ( aka Grim reaper coach )
    but under Kustarova, B/S did not progress and were being passed by the likes of the Shibs

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    I might be reading it wrong, but the quote from Gorshkov in the article about funding says couples, doesn't it? So is that that Ruslan & Elena have their funding from Moscow region - remember the Mosocow region released a statement confirming their partnership last week - & S/K have funding from the central body because they are not attached to a region because they are in the US?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElenaNikitaFan View Post
    Wait, this article doesn't say that IZ won't recieve funding. If it doesn't say anything about it, it doesn't mean they won't get anything, right?? Please tell me there is still a chance.
    Something is rotten in Denmark, i.e FFKKR. From this article and the links to the article "Earlier, Russian sports minister Vitaly Mutko reported that the Ministry of Sports will not fund the initial training period and Sinitsina Katsalapova in Detroit", "FFKKR not supported decay duets Il'inykh / Katsalapov and Sinitsyna / Zhiganshin"
    Bunch of liars.
    It seems that the article that said that S/K's training period in Detroit MI with Zueva was paid for by the FFKKR was an article about Nikita and Victoria. I don't think it mentioned Elena and Ruslan's status in terms of funding, nor was it necessarily supposed to because it was an article about S/K. The article about the confirmation of both couples didn't mention funding. Correct me if I'm wrong (I used translate, but I think [hope for Google's sake] that at least the meaning and basic ideas of the article were quite likely to be correctly translated). So I wouldn't worry about it until we get an "official" (credible) article explicitly outlining Elena and Ruslan's funding status.

    Personally, I think that it's only fair to give both couples the same support and fair chance. They flipped partners, so each team has the exact same level of past competitive success/experience (meaning like both teams have half of the olympic bronze winning duo, world junior champion duo, etc.), certain members of the 4 ice dancers I, Z, S, and K may have better technique and artistic presentation it may be argued... but unless they based their decision on some other extraneous factors I don't see why they would treat either team differently at least until competition season starts and we see some results and some full competition routines vs. just exhibition programs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kauh888 View Post
    Personally, I think that it's only fair to give both couples the same support and fair chance. They flipped partners, so each team has the exact same level of past competitive success/experience (meaning like both teams have half of the olympic bronze winning duo, world junior champion duo, etc.), certain members of the 4 ice dancers I, Z, S, and K may have better technique and artistic presentation it may be argued... but unless they based their decision on some other extraneous factors I don't see why they would treat either team differently at least until competition season starts and we see some results and some full competition routines vs. just exhibition programs.
    My thoughts exactly. That is what I *hope* the Federation is doing. There's no telling who will prove to be the better couple, so they deserve equal chances. Only once the season starts will anyone be able to determine which couple is the more promising and made more of the support they got.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kauh888 View Post
    It seems that the article that said that S/K's training period in Detroit MI with Zueva was paid for by the FFKKR was an article about Nikita and Victoria.
    Wait a minute. Didn't Zueva said that the blond, with 2 blue eyes, Nikita paid her with the his own money, the prize money he got from Sochi?

    Quote Originally Posted by uhh View Post
    I might be reading it wrong, but the quote from Gorshkov in the article about funding says couples, doesn't it? So is that that Ruslan & Elena have their funding from Moscow region - remember the Mosocow region released a statement confirming their partnership last week - & S/K have funding from the central body because they are not attached to a region because they are in the US?
    I don't know how it works in Russia but that makes sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElenaNikitaFan View Post
    Wait, this article doesn't say that IZ won't recieve funding. If it doesn't say anything about it, it doesn't mean they won't get anything, right?? Please tell me there is still a chance.
    Something is rotten in Denmark, i.e FFKKR. From this article and the links to the article "Earlier, Russian sports minister Vitaly Mutko reported that the Ministry of Sports will not fund the initial training period and Sinitsina Katsalapova in Detroit", "FFKKR not supported decay duets Il'inykh / Katsalapov and Sinitsyna / Zhiganshin"
    Bunch of liars.
    Quote Originally Posted by uhh
    I might be reading it wrong, but the quote from Gorshkov in the article about funding says couples, doesn't it?
    A journalist told that practises of Sinitsina & Katsalapov will be financed by Russian Federation. Gorshkov told: “Financing from June will be done in common mode how always was. As to financing the fact that couples train in new configuration – it doesn’t have any meaning.“ Yes, Gorshkov said couples, not one couple, but if he was really talking about both couples, there would be no reason why wouldn’t a journalist notice it and write both couples S&K and I&Z got funding. It was not an interview with S&K where this would be mention without any notice of I&Z and in this case it woudl be normal. This articles talked about situation in Russian skating and opinion from Russian Federation. Don’t forget that while Sinitsina & Katsalapov were approved at 28th of May, and Gorshkov noticed support since June. While Ilinykh & Zhiganshin were publicly approved in 5th of June. This article talked about funding for S&K only, and Gorshkov quotes were not clear enought to be sure if I&Z were included or not. Thanks to a fact that from the beginning Russian Federation doesn’t take both couples equally, I am not sure at all about the same funding for I&Z until I read it.

    What is very important is the fact that thanks funding and Mutko‘s notice some month ago, only Nationals Team couples get financial support – so S&K are already a part of National Team. If I&Z are not financially supported by Fed, it would mean that they are not a part of the National Team.

    Quote Originally Posted by uhh
    So is that that Ruslan & Elena have their funding from Moscow region - remember the Mosocow region released a statement confirming their partnership last week - & S/K have funding from the central body because they are not attached to a region because they are in the US?
    I don’t think so. Every couple skating at Russian Nationals represents some Russian Figure Skating Club, every club belongs to some region. Both Nikita and Vika are from Moscow region. Having financial support from region only is an disadvantage, because region has many projects to support, while Russian Fed needs to support skaters only. So region will give much much less money to skaters than Federation would give.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sky_fly20 View Post
    we know you love Kustarova and co ( aka Grim reaper coach )
    Don’t try to change personal with professional approach, Sky_Fly20.
    Kustarova learns great technique and her students prove this at every competition, and every Russian knows this. If this info didn’t come to you or to people in Europe / America etc. …this can be caused by Russian Federation who supported Morozov only and the rest of the coaches were not those favourite and propagated. But I can see which couple has poor / good / great technique. And if I see more couples from one coach having good or great technique – then it leads me to think that this coach is a very good technician.

    B&S did not progressed like a dancers who would take people’s attention with Kustarova, that is true, but their deep edges, fast skating and overall great skating skills were never under critic. And without any exception all their dances were very technically difficult and demanding (sometimes even overchoreographed with millions movements which I didn’t like, but without great skating skills they wouldn’t survive to the end of the program).

    As to costumes it was already discussed also, Lena has her costume designers, she has her make-up stylist (or she does make-up herself), she has her own hair stylist. What do you expect to be a problem?
    As to Bobrova’s poor costuming, even with change of coaches costume problems stayed with her. She simply doesn’t have good luck for good costume designer and stylist. Every coach can say his opinion about a dress but the main person is costume designer. You can notice that since 2010/11 season, Bobrova & Soloviev changed costumes throught the season at least once, so probably Kustarova really told: “I don’t like it, make another one.“ But costume designer made even worse version of previous costume. And what you want to do with it? Go and sew costume for Bobrova yourself? Do you know sewing? It is much better to change costume designer. And Kustarova probably did. Since 2012/13 Sinitsina’s costumes improved, they become much more elegant and simple with less “brilliants“ and fit her body building very well.

    Quote Originally Posted by sky_fly20 View Post
    but under Kustarova, B/S did not progress and were being passed by the likes of the Shibs
    Why such notice?
    Shibs won over B&S only once at World Champs 2011. Since that time they didn't beat them even once.
    Katsalapov lost to Shibs at NHK 2011 and World Champs 2011, NHK 2012, World Champs 2013, NHK 2013. Sinitsina beat Shibs at Cup of Russia 2012 only.

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