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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGothicEme View Post
    what's with all the hate of B/S doing Carmen?
    last time they kiled each other on ice was f***ing fabulous, can't wait to see him killing her again on this year's Carmen :v
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    Vanilla is a nice, safe ice cream flavor.
    We don't hate it, we just don't think it's our favorite.
    B/S = vanilla
    Perfectly pleasant, but nothing to write home about when there are so many other flavors on the menu.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anyanka View Post
    Vanilla is a nice, safe ice cream flavor.
    We don't hate it, we just don't think it's our favorite.
    B/S = vanilla
    Perfectly pleasant, but nothing to write home about when there are so many other flavors on the menu.


    So easy and nice way to describe it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anyanka View Post
    Vanilla is a nice, safe ice cream flavor.
    We don't hate it, we just don't think it's our favorite.
    B/S = vanilla
    Perfectly pleasant, but nothing to write home about when there are so many other flavors on the menu.
    Saying that Insanity and Birds are vanilla is like saying that Anjelika Krylova isn't expressive

    Maybe their dances aren't to your taste, but they're definitely not ordinary.

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    I'm looking forward to this Carmen fest. God knows I'll probably be sick of it by the end of the season, but every team has its own interpretation of Carmen, each one brings something of their own into it, so I'm reaaaally looking forward to see each and every interpretation, at least once

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macassar88 View Post
    Saying that Insanity and Birds are vanilla is like saying that Anjelika Krylova isn't expressive

    Maybe their dances aren't to your taste, but they're definitely not ordinary.
    I love that you use insanity and birds that way. :P
    But point well taken - it's a matter of taste, at least for me.
    I was referring to their presence on ice, not the content of their program.
    You can add vanilla to the most unorthodox dish and it would still wouldn't be a distinct flavor that stands out right away.
    It's there, it's nice ... and that's all.

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    DWTS has had some unorthodox choices for paso dobles

    http://www.google.com/#q=site%3Ayoutube.com+DWTS+paso
    Last edited by dorispulaski; 06-23-2014 at 10:50 AM.

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    I like B&S. I think they are a team that are better live than on a television screen. I was not a fan of theirs but seeing them at Skate America 2012 changed my mind. I didn't like their programs last year, but at least they try to do something different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs. P View Post
    I like B&S. I think they are a team that are better live than on a television screen. I was not a fan of theirs but seeing them at Skate America 2012 changed my mind. I didn't like their programs last year, but at least they try to do something different.
    I hear ya.
    And perhaps their presence just doesn't translate as well on screen?
    I'm hoping to get to either SA or SC this fall, maybe I'll see them there and change my mind if they don't just get COC and COR for their GP assignments!

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    Quote Originally Posted by anyanka View Post
    Vanilla is a nice, safe ice cream flavor.
    We don't hate it, we just don't think it's our favorite.
    B/S = vanilla
    Perfectly pleasant, but nothing to write home about when there are so many other flavors on the menu.
    This forum is mainly for figure skating fans, being fan is mostly about liking / not liking and it often doesn't have much to do with figure skating qualities. It's OK, fans can behave like that.

    1) B&S are one of the fastest couples in current ice dancing. Do you call high speed a "safe" thing?

    2) The couple always had a very difficult choreography, under Kustarova in past years some of programs were even overchoreographed (which was not good of course). Having millions of moves and big difficulty in whole program is called "safe"?

    3) B&S skate in close holds more than any other team, it was very visible especially in this season SD. And we all know that close holds are more difficult than open holds. Doing more difficult holds which are also more risky (because in close holds you can make mistake, loose control and speed more easily) is called "safe"?

    But maybe you meant B&S being safe and pleasant in presentation....

    4) B&S came with very original concepts in past two years – Psycho and Birds. Under Kustarova in recent years there were Chess SD in 2010/11 season, Sailor's Dance SD in 2009/10 season. All those dances (and not only those) made a disccusion in the time the couple presented them, somebody liked it, somebody not. Especially last two FD programs made an explosion in figure skating world. No matter if you like or not like those dances, how can you call it "safe"?

    5) B&S are known for big drama and an expresiveness in their programs...do you mean drama = expressiveness mean "safe" way of skating?

    6) During past seasons B&S skated to classical music like Bach, Vivaldi, Adagio, but they also took Romeo & Juliette in modern version, Morricone, Artsakh – an Armenian Dance, Walpurgis Night. They skated to music without any certain story, or they had a romantic story (White Night’s), they skated to big drama (Walpurgis Night, R&J, Chess or Birds), or to psychological drama (Psycho). They had serious dances, but they were also a little bit funny in Sailor’s Dance, Katya was cute and innocent in Polka‘s SD. Do you really mean that their programs were “safe“ choices?
    I don’t say that every picture in every program was successfull, it was not. But most of dances was expressed on a good, very good or great level. And the couple really tried to push themselves into new images and attemps to improve their skating and dancing. While some other dancers fell into their typical style and repeated it again and again – but this is not pushing the level of dancer up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lota View Post
    I'm looking forward to this Carmen fest. God knows I'll probably be sick of it by the end of the season, but every team has its own interpretation of Carmen, each one brings something of their own into it, so I'm reaaaally looking forward to see each and every interpretation, at least once
    Interesting point...

    I don't think that Carmen in SD should hurt people so much. All of you are describing Carmen in past years, especially Krylova and Bestemianova were fantastic. Also Navka and Tessa were great. And Cappellini also did Carmen (less powerful and dynamic, much more mild in my eyes, but I loved the costumes and choreography).

    What you all describe is Carmen like FD which means that every woman was Carmen and every man was Don Jose or Escamillo – so it was a story of Carmen.
    But in our case two couples chose Carmen for SD...and SD is about Flamenco / Paso Doble, so not the story but a ballroom dance on the first place. If the couple will include something from Carmen's story, why not, but this SDs must be about ballroom dances taken to the ice firstly. And this is essential.

    I don't know more about B&S choreography yet, but I&Z chose Navarro whose works for Annissina, Pechalat, Lambiel were great. (Navarro didn't do choreography only, looking at way those skaters presented the dance, he also worked with them to understand what is Spanish music about and how to express it well, all those skaters mentioned above were great in it.) And using Carmen which will be adapted to faster Paso Doble rhythm (like Kustarova mentioned in interview) with typical Spanish / Flamenco movements (you couldn't see that in dances of Krylova, Bestemianova, Navka, Cappellini or Tessa, because all those were concentrated on the story only), I really don't expect an ordinary dance with love story being the main thing....if it would happen, then it wouldn't keep the SD's requirements for ballroom dance and it would be a mistake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macassar88 View Post
    Ekaterina has dyed her hair for the role
    Also Navka was blonde and won the OGM with it (Kostomarov happened to be on the ice as well, but we all know that Navka won the OGM for them both.
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    Also, Ekaterina did dye her hair for the role, but it looks more auburn/red than the typical brown or black:
    http://instagram.com/p/pDmHxbhnRs/
    Flamenco (you need dark hair):
    : Tanith Belbin – blond
    : Marina Annissina – red
    : Kaitlyn Weaver – blond

    Carmen (you need dark hair):
    : Tatiana Navka – blond
    : Natalia Bestemianova – red

    Gypsy Dance (you need dark hair):
    : Tanith Belbin – blond

    Arabian dance (you need dark hair):
    : Oksana Grishuk – blond
    : Marina Annissina – red
    : Tatiana Navka - blond

    Scheherezade + Indian Disco dance + Quasimodo in Esmeralda – every character dictated Charlie to have dark hair…and he stayed blond.

    Even Carolina Kostner didn’t dye her hair for Geisha or Scheherezade story.

    Where is the problem than?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sisinka View Post
    This forum is mainly for figure skating fans, being fan is mostly about liking / not liking and it often doesn't have much to do with figure skating qualities. It's OK, fans can behave like that.

    1) B&S are one of the fastest couples in current ice dancing. Do you call high speed a "safe" thing?

    2) The couple always had a very difficult choreography, under Kustarova in past years some of programs were even overchoreographed (which was not good of course). Having millions of moves and big difficulty in whole program is called "safe"?

    3) B&S skate in close holds more than any other team, it was very visible especially in this season SD. And we all know that close holds are more difficult than open holds. Doing more difficult holds which are also more risky (because in close holds you can make mistake, loose control and speed more easily) is called "safe"?

    But maybe you meant B&S being safe and pleasant in presentation....

    4) B&S came with very original concepts in past two years – Psycho and Birds. Under Kustarova in recent years there were Chess SD in 2010/11 season, Sailor's Dance SD in 2009/10 season. All those dances (and not only those) made a disccusion in the time the couple presented them, somebody liked it, somebody not. Especially last two FD programs made an explosion in figure skating world. No matter if you like or not like those dances, how can you call it "safe"?

    5) B&S are known for big drama and an expresiveness in their programs...do you mean drama = expressiveness mean "safe" way of skating?

    6) During past seasons B&S skated to classical music like Bach, Vivaldi, Adagio, but they also took Romeo & Juliette in modern version, Morricone, Artsakh – an Armenian Dance, Walpurgis Night. They skated to music without any certain story, or they had a romantic story (White Night’s), they skated to big drama (Walpurgis Night, R&J, Chess or Birds), or to psychological drama (Psycho). They had serious dances, but they were also a little bit funny in Sailor’s Dance, Katya was cute and innocent in Polka‘s SD. Do you really mean that their programs were “safe“ choices?
    I don’t say that every picture in every program was successfull, it was not. But most of dances was expressed on a good, very good or great level. And the couple really tried to push themselves into new images and attemps to improve their skating and dancing. While some other dancers fell into their typical style and repeated it again and again – but this is not pushing the level of dancer up.
    1) A lot of other teams are fast as well. Across the board, it's a given.

    2) I don't think the choreography is that interesting. Again, an aesthetic thing.

    3) I do agree that their close holds are very good, mostly in their SDs. I did enjoy this season's SD very much.

    4) Doesn't matter the presentation to me. They're unorthodox choices, for sure. I just don't think that the way they deliver the concept is striking, no matter how high-concept the theme.

    5) Their drama and expressiveness, for me, is just a bit flat. Although I liked how they presented their FD in Sochi, she was very much into it.

    6) They have range but for me it's not just not aesthetically pleasing.

    Overall, they're a "safe" choice in that they lack a certain x-factor, for me. I'm not alone on this, but I'm sure you and their fans disagree. They're not bad skaters by any means - they're quite accomplished, I think! - but they're just not distinctive. For me, there's no true star quality that makes them truly exciting to watch. I like that they do try to push themselves, but they don't stand out for me the way certain other star couples do.

    sisinka - and other fans here - I must say I like and respect how you've stuck up for and defended B/S. For me they're not the most exciting pair by any means, but I like the thought process you've given to this. It shows a real appreciation for them that I may not have. I enjoy our debate on this!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sisinka View Post
    I don't think that Carmen in SD should hurt people so much. All of you are describing Carmen in past years, especially Krylova and Bestemianova were fantastic.
    Personally I'm not describing any Carmen. I just hate the choice of the music. Sick and tired with it, so I'm hoping on the choreography to relieve the "pain".

    Anyway, Krylova's Carmen fantastic? Since when Carmen is a woman escaped from a psychiatric hospital?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sisinka View Post
    Flamenco (you need dark hair):
    : Tanith Belbin – blond
    : Marina Annissina – red
    : Kaitlyn Weaver – blond

    Carmen (you need dark hair):
    : Tatiana Navka – blond
    : Natalia Bestemianova – red

    Gypsy Dance (you need dark hair):
    : Tanith Belbin – blond

    Arabian dance (you need dark hair):
    : Oksana Grishuk – blond
    : Marina Annissina – red
    : Tatiana Navka - blond

    Scheherezade + Indian Disco dance + Quasimodo in Esmeralda – every character dictated Charlie to have dark hair…and he stayed blond.

    Even Carolina Kostner didn’t dye her hair for Geisha or Scheherezade story.

    Where is the problem than?
    Agreed. Thematically they can put their own spin on it. Domnina dyed her hair dark for 2009's wonderful Spartacus number but went blonde the year before and after. It was her own spin on the concept and image for that particular piece.

    And Navka skated one of my fave Carmens to date in 2006 and she was definitely blonde for it, and Natalia B's flaming red suited her well for that number.

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    Thank Sisinka and Alba for replying. It just can't convince to me that I/Z are better( or equal to) than S/K at this point, although I hope they are better. Why TAT didn't like S/Z? any details? Does she like their coaches? Z?

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