I'm looking forward to this Carmen fest. God knows I'll probably be sick of it by the end of the season, but every team has its own interpretation of Carmen, each one brings something of their own into it, so I'm reaaaally looking forward to see each and every interpretation, at least once
But point well taken - it's a matter of taste, at least for me.
I was referring to their presence on ice, not the content of their program.
You can add vanilla to the most unorthodox dish and it would still wouldn't be a distinct flavor that stands out right away.
It's there, it's nice ... and that's all.
DWTS has had some unorthodox choices for paso dobles
Last edited by dorispulaski; 06-23-2014 at 10:50 AM.
I like B&S. I think they are a team that are better live than on a television screen. I was not a fan of theirs but seeing them at Skate America 2012 changed my mind. I didn't like their programs last year, but at least they try to do something different.
1) B&S are one of the fastest couples in current ice dancing. Do you call high speed a "safe" thing?
2) The couple always had a very difficult choreography, under Kustarova in past years some of programs were even overchoreographed (which was not good of course). Having millions of moves and big difficulty in whole program is called "safe"?
3) B&S skate in close holds more than any other team, it was very visible especially in this season SD. And we all know that close holds are more difficult than open holds. Doing more difficult holds which are also more risky (because in close holds you can make mistake, loose control and speed more easily) is called "safe"?
But maybe you meant B&S being safe and pleasant in presentation....
4) B&S came with very original concepts in past two years – Psycho and Birds. Under Kustarova in recent years there were Chess SD in 2010/11 season, Sailor's Dance SD in 2009/10 season. All those dances (and not only those) made a disccusion in the time the couple presented them, somebody liked it, somebody not. Especially last two FD programs made an explosion in figure skating world. No matter if you like or not like those dances, how can you call it "safe"?
5) B&S are known for big drama and an expresiveness in their programs...do you mean drama = expressiveness mean "safe" way of skating?
6) During past seasons B&S skated to classical music like Bach, Vivaldi, Adagio, but they also took Romeo & Juliette in modern version, Morricone, Artsakh – an Armenian Dance, Walpurgis Night. They skated to music without any certain story, or they had a romantic story (White Night’s), they skated to big drama (Walpurgis Night, R&J, Chess or Birds), or to psychological drama (Psycho). They had serious dances, but they were also a little bit funny in Sailor’s Dance, Katya was cute and innocent in Polka‘s SD. Do you really mean that their programs were “safe“ choices?
I don’t say that every picture in every program was successfull, it was not. But most of dances was expressed on a good, very good or great level. And the couple really tried to push themselves into new images and attemps to improve their skating and dancing. While some other dancers fell into their typical style and repeated it again and again – but this is not pushing the level of dancer up.
I don't think that Carmen in SD should hurt people so much. All of you are describing Carmen in past years, especially Krylova and Bestemianova were fantastic. Also Navka and Tessa were great. And Cappellini also did Carmen (less powerful and dynamic, much more mild in my eyes, but I loved the costumes and choreography).
What you all describe is Carmen like FD which means that every woman was Carmen and every man was Don Jose or Escamillo – so it was a story of Carmen.
But in our case two couples chose Carmen for SD...and SD is about Flamenco / Paso Doble, so not the story but a ballroom dance on the first place. If the couple will include something from Carmen's story, why not, but this SDs must be about ballroom dances taken to the ice firstly. And this is essential.
I don't know more about B&S choreography yet, but I&Z chose Navarro whose works for Annissina, Pechalat, Lambiel were great. (Navarro didn't do choreography only, looking at way those skaters presented the dance, he also worked with them to understand what is Spanish music about and how to express it well, all those skaters mentioned above were great in it.) And using Carmen which will be adapted to faster Paso Doble rhythm (like Kustarova mentioned in interview) with typical Spanish / Flamenco movements (you couldn't see that in dances of Krylova, Bestemianova, Navka, Cappellini or Tessa, because all those were concentrated on the story only), I really don't expect an ordinary dance with love story being the main thing....if it would happen, then it wouldn't keep the SD's requirements for ballroom dance and it would be a mistake.
Flamenco (you need dark hair):Originally Posted by fleeting
: Tanith Belbin – blond
: Marina Annissina – red
: Kaitlyn Weaver – blond
Carmen (you need dark hair):
: Tatiana Navka – blond
: Natalia Bestemianova – red
Gypsy Dance (you need dark hair):
: Tanith Belbin – blond
Arabian dance (you need dark hair):
: Oksana Grishuk – blond
: Marina Annissina – red
: Tatiana Navka - blond
Scheherezade + Indian Disco dance + Quasimodo in Esmeralda – every character dictated Charlie to have dark hair…and he stayed blond.
Even Carolina Kostner didn’t dye her hair for Geisha or Scheherezade story.
Where is the problem than?
2) I don't think the choreography is that interesting. Again, an aesthetic thing.
3) I do agree that their close holds are very good, mostly in their SDs. I did enjoy this season's SD very much.
4) Doesn't matter the presentation to me. They're unorthodox choices, for sure. I just don't think that the way they deliver the concept is striking, no matter how high-concept the theme.
5) Their drama and expressiveness, for me, is just a bit flat. Although I liked how they presented their FD in Sochi, she was very much into it.
6) They have range but for me it's not just not aesthetically pleasing.
Overall, they're a "safe" choice in that they lack a certain x-factor, for me. I'm not alone on this, but I'm sure you and their fans disagree. They're not bad skaters by any means - they're quite accomplished, I think! - but they're just not distinctive. For me, there's no true star quality that makes them truly exciting to watch. I like that they do try to push themselves, but they don't stand out for me the way certain other star couples do.
sisinka - and other fans here - I must say I like and respect how you've stuck up for and defended B/S. For me they're not the most exciting pair by any means, but I like the thought process you've given to this. It shows a real appreciation for them that I may not have. I enjoy our debate on this!
And Navka skated one of my fave Carmens to date in 2006 and she was definitely blonde for it, and Natalia B's flaming red suited her well for that number.
Thank Sisinka and Alba for replying. It just can't convince to me that I/Z are better( or equal to) than S/K at this point, although I hope they are better. Why TAT didn't like S/Z? any details? Does she like their coaches? Z?