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Thread: Elena Ilinykh & Nikita Katsalapov Split

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    Quote Originally Posted by alithia View Post
    What actually annoys me in all this , is the way, some russian posters in russian forums,and most of the times,fans or 'friends' of certain groups try to create impressions and then take them around for a walk in english speaking forums as well.

    And the fact that some of them, try to create the impression of IZ being underdogs,thinking they can make it come true this way.It's been going around for a while now, and I guess it's not working. One could easily say IZ would get no events, and compete in some obscure Senior B like Elif said, given the way things are presented. And then , we all take a look at a training video, where these poor underdogs have almost mastered IK's signature lift in a couple of months, and do another one, and it's as if Zhiganshin is lifting a rag doll ( which drops the theory of heavy Ilinykh as well)
    Sometimes I wonder what this woman has done to those people over there to be something like the female version of poor Evgeny Plushenko for them.
    If you would read all topics in Russian Forum you would notice that all skaters are criticized by some members too much, I don’t know why, but it is so for a very long time. Some members of those Forums simply like making bad words about ALL skaters, not Lena only.
    But let’s move on.
    In comparison with Ilinykh & Katsalapov…in Kustarova / Alexeeva / Riabinina’s group Lena looks to execute lifts more easy, Ruslan looks not to be shaky like Nikita was. If it is caused by Lena loosing some weight or if the couple together started to build better lift habbits, it is hard to say…

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abraxis12345 View Post
    It's actually IZ fans who are the biggest culprits of the whole world is against Elena trope. They complained that IZ were put in reserves when basically every new team was put in reserves. They complained that the lack of press coverage for IZ is viewed as the federation isn't supporting them, nevermind all the press coverage in April. Yanovskaya saying she missed Sinitsina is viewed as a sign that the whole Kustarova group was against Elena. Heck, the fact that Ruslan did the talking in that video instead of Elena is viewed by the IZ fan group admin that Elena is unhappy.

    While SK have alot of support, the truth is IZ have been given money to pay for two top notch choreographers and two GP assignments when they could easily have been given to Zenkova and Sinitsyn. SK may be the chosen ones but money for Najarro, Averbukh, and Latvia isn't coming from Ruslan's and Maxim Kuyrdyukov's auto business.
    I totally don’t agree with you as to press support…while I&Z did about 9 articles (only 2 of them were long) in 3 months….S&K and Zueva did 8 articles in 4 days…
    Plus whole propaganda at Gala where commentator was again and again repeating how much beautiful S&K are, how much talented they are, new Russian hope, nobody like them skated in Russian before, only Navka was on their level etc.
    And Trankov supporting Nikita at Gala but also supporting his idea to split with making an interview where he created a little skinny boy from Ruslan (while Nikita is only 2 cm higher than Ruslan), so Vika had to find taller mature man Nikita.

    In press there was an announcement that Sinitsina & Katsalapov will get a money support from Fed, but no straight confirmation about I&Z – maybe yes, maybe not.

    Why already in 19th of May the press talked about S&K like another confirmed duet, in 28th of May Sinitsina & Katsalapov were officially confirmed like a new couple….but only in 5th of June Ilinykh & Zhiganshin were oficially confirmed?

    As to published articles:
    Lena – one article from 4th of April about a split, another about a tryout with Ruslan
    Ruslan – one article from 7th of April about a tryout with Lena
    Kustarova – one shorter article from 7th of April, one long article from 13th of June
    Alexeeva – one shorter article from 7th of April, very short article from 17th of April
    Vaitsekhovskaya – one report from 22th of April
    Vaitsekhovskaya’s long interview with Lena from 7th of May

    Of course people from Russian Federation, Trankov etc. noticed S&K in many interviews or articles plus video from gala, but I took only different articles (not the same article re-wrote in different pages) of Zueva and S&K plus three other articles about official confirmation, about financial support and by one author who simply loves them…

    http://rsport.ru/figure_skating/20140413/742845516.html
    …13th of April…where Zueva confirms that a couple arrives today to her…

    http://itar-tass.com/sport/1134406
    ...20th of April...Zueva says that S&K will have only a tryout with her…

    http://www.rsport.ru/figure_skating/...743764433.html
    …25th of April…Nikita confirmed that he gave no comment at Internet…

    http://www.rsport.ru/figure_skating/...743911057.html
    …27th of April…Zueva: Sinitsina and Katsalapov are connected with very light Russian style

    http://rsport.ru/figure_skating/20140519/747018287.html
    …19th of May…Zueva’s interview…“Overall those four blue eyes are amazing for me…“

    http://itar-tass.com/sport/1195841
    …19th of May…interview with Zueva…The Dance duet of S&K may continue training in USA…“Frankly I am very pleased what we reached in last time…“

    http://fsrussia.ru.3s3s.org/news/124...luchae-nelzya/
    …29th of May…Viki and Nikita…they can’t look back to the past…

    http://fsrussia.ru/news/1239_marina-...m-s-viktoriej/
    …28th of May…Zueva: Nikita started to look like a mature man…

    http://rsport.ru/figure_skating/20140529/749031748.html
    …29th of May: Sinitsina &Katsalapov feel comfortable in Zueva’s group

    http://rsport.ru/figure_skating/20140530/749309352.html
    …30th of May…Katsalapov told that opening period with Sinitsina was easy…

    http://rsport.ru/figure_skating/20140530/749309352.html
    …30th of May…Katsalapov hopes that he will open himself with Sinitsina…

    http://rsport.ru/figure_skating/20140530/749314967.html
    …30th of May…Katsalapov makes a maximal goals….

    http://rsport.ru/figure_skating/20140531/749500922.html
    ...31th of May Sinitsina & Katsalapov……Nikita says that they felt a responsibility

    http://rsport.ru/photo/20140601/749590746.html
    …1st of June…photos of Sinitsina & Katsalapov and OTHER skaters…5 photos of Vika and Nikita, only 2 photos of Silver and Gold Olympic Medalists, Silver European and World Medalists Stolbova & Klimov, only 2 pictures of Gold Olympic Medalists Adelina Sotnikova, 2 photos for Zabiako & Larionov and Davankova & Enbert, one photo for Slutskaya…

    http://www.dni.ru/sport/2014/6/2/271643.html
    …2nd of June…Katsalapov about positive sides of Sinitsina…

    http://rsport.ru/figure_skating/20140602/749788559.html
    ….2th of June…Zueva: S&K will start with free dance in 9th of June

    http://www.sports.ru/tribuna/blogs/l...ie/622086.html
    …2nd of June…the author praises S&K…

    http://news.sport-express.ru/2014-06-05/705235/
    …from 5th of June…a confirmation about two new couple – S&K and I&Z – by Gorshkov

    http://rsport.ru/figure_skating/20140605/750273718.html
    …from 5th of June…trainings of Sinitsina & Katsalapov will be financially supported by Russian Federation.

    http://www.team-russia2014.ru/article/figur/17287.html
    …6th of June…Katsalapov: The first season will be difficult for our couple

    http://www.sovsport.ru/gazeta/article-item/717195
    …6th of June…Zueva: I am simply proud of working with such couple like Sinitsina & Katsalapov

    http://www.sovsport.ru/news/text-item/717209
    …6th of June…Zueva: S&K will compete at one Grand Prix…

    http://www.sovsport.ru/news/text-item/717201
    …6th of June…Katsalapov: I made a decision…

    http://www.sovsport.ru/gazeta/article-item/717274
    …6th June…Zueva: I liked I&K so much…how is Nikita great dancer, how she was suprised when he called her, that short dance will be passionate etc.


    Zueva is more expensive that Navarro and Averbukh together. US trainigs are x-times more expensive than trainings in Europe or in home town. Zueva is much more expensive than Kustarova. Zueva with those at least ten-fifteen-twenty specialists – you must all pay them (Nikita talked about more specialists than he was used to – and he was used to coach-choreographer, assistent of coach, Tarasova who helped them, ballroom dancer, Ludmila Vlasova – former ballet coach, ballet dancer for Swan Lake – old one, young ballet dancers, specialists from Cirque du Soleil for lifts, coach for condition – Leonid Raitsin, costume designer, coach for box lessons, dancers from Brodway, some summer lessons from Sphilband and Grishuk…).

    ISU rules caused that I&Z got two Grand Prix, it was not Russian Fed, who decided it, they only allowed them to compete there.
    As to Grand Prix comparison – S&K got more easy one. Cup of China is more difficult because there are three couples from top 10 from World Champs 2014 including the winners C&L, S&S finished in 6th place, P&I were10th. Papadakis came in 13th place, and she is French number one right now. On the other hand NHK Trophy has W&P only like straight winners, other couples are – Zhiganshina & Gazsi, who finished 11th at World Champs 2014, Coomes & Buckland who are known for great lifts, but very poor technique, 9th place at World Champs 2014, Reeds who finished 18th, Hawayek & Baker who just finished with juniors and have no reputation in seniors, Monko & Khaliavin who are strong but they never competed at European or World Champs and don’t have Grand Prix medal yet, so their reputation is not too strong in the eyes of judges. So, yes, S&K have more easy Grand Prix.

    I also noticed the strange tendency of some people to make rumours about I&Z. Why many people criticized Vika and Nikita for their poor behaviour towards their ex-partners and lying attitudes…some people try to persuade others that Lena and Ruslan…1) have problems on the ice, especially with lifts, 2) have problems off the ice as well, 3) are constantly falling (yes, I already read this), 4) are just splitting, 5) will never compete at some event.
    In the same moment when those strange rumours crosses boards….Lena and Ruslan are 1) inviting Navarro and Averbukh to work with them, 2) Ruslan builds muscles and Lena looses weights, 3) they are learning new lifts including a Swan lift which is new for Ruslan, 4) they work with ballroom dancers, 5) Lena makes plenty of happy photos with Ruslan or with whole group, 5) Lena invited Ruslan to be a support for her at the Olympic ball where she met Nikita with Vika, 6) the video from practises in Liepae appears, 7) Kustarova makes positive but realistic interview about the couple.
    I don’t believe that strange rumours are made by I&Z’s fans, they would hardly push the couple to split…

    Overall I would say that while Sinitsina & Katsalapov are supported by Federation and press, all other Russian couples including Lena and Ruslan are presented like underdogs. There are so many articles about S&K and Zueva, much more than about Monko & Khaliavin, Stepanova & Bukin, Bobrova & Soloviev…why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bramweld View Post
    I tend to agree with this. While the Fed understandably has great respect for Zueva ultimately S/K will have to prove themselves on ice not paper.
    I'm reserving my judgement until I see who is in the technical panel. Russian Federation and Zoueva... I'm not that naive to think they are not planning another CoR 2013 even now

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    Quote Originally Posted by elif View Post
    I'm reserving my judgement until I see who is in the technical panel. Russian Federation and Zoueva... I'm not that naive to think they are not planning another CoR 2013 even now
    I completely forgot that travesty of justice. But say what you will all Rus and Lena need to do is make the team, so many people are pulling for them. If they do get out of Russia their scores will reflect their talent. This is the curse of being a russian ice dancer, not blessed by the fed. Rus and Lena BRING IT!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bramweld View Post
    If they do get out of Russia their scores will reflect their talent. This is the curse of being a russian ice dancer, not blessed by the fed. Rus and Lena BRING IT!!
    Oh I would have no problem if they would have Yagudin's titles outside Russia.

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    This is what I meant that S/K is the better treated team. I might have not expressed my thought well. I don't know which team is stronger. I hope I/Z will do great. But for now, S/K is better treated (looked).

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    Here is what takes up a good chunk of a PR account executives time: contacting media outlets and praying they will pay attention to your client. Unless you are working on behalf of a bonafide A lister, your pitches often go in the trash. SK did their media blitz because they had been gone for a month, had been silent, and were planning a performance. and Marina wanted to promote them as best as possible. IZ on the other hand had been in Moscow pretty much the whole time, were not planning any public performances, and after the dust settled, there was nothing interesting to report. If IZ wanted more press, all they would have to do is pick up the phone and call Simonenko. . It's not an accident that when Ruslan announced the pairing, he gave the phone call to Simonenko as they have a very friendly relationship. I'm sure he'd give Ruslan the platform if he ever wanted to talk about the split with Sinitsina.

    On the whole Iz is an underdog and the bizarre rumors about them, it is definitely prevalent among Ilinykh fans, not just FSO teenies Post any photo and it turns into a pity party about how unloved Elena is. Like when Sotnikova wrote nice things to Sinitsina and Katsalapov, they somehow managed to come up with this notion that Vaitsekhovskaya would start writing bad things about Elena because Sotnikova, whom Vaitsekhovskaya likes, happened to like Sinitsina.

    I'm not saying there aren't Ilinykh haters (there's definitely some), but I think her fans are beginning to rival some members of the Virtue and Moir fan club in terms of the ability to turn any bit of news into a vast conspiracy. It's funny reading the old Sinitsina/Zhiganshin fan group, which was mostly populated by Vika and Ruslan's relatives, friends, anyone affiliated with Kustarova, and die hard fans. Around worlds time, the IK fans invaded the group and were complaining that no one there would discuss the rumors and the admin pretty much had to tell the IK fans that the group doesn't do pity parties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsfan View Post
    This is what I meant that S/K is the better treated team. I might have not expressed my thought well. I don't know which team is stronger. I hope I/Z will do great. But for now, S/K is better treated (looked).
    I honestly don't see that, at the moment at least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abraxis12345 View Post
    Here is what takes up a good chunk of a PR account executives time: contacting media outlets and praying they will pay attention to your client. Unless you are working on behalf of a bonafide A lister, your pitches often go in the trash. SK did their media blitz because they had been gone for a month, had been silent, and were planning a performance. and Marina wanted to promote them as best as possible. IZ on the other hand had been in Moscow pretty much the whole time, were not planning any public performances, and after the dust settled, there was nothing interesting to report. If IZ wanted more press, all they would have to do is pick up the phone and call Simonenko. . It's not an accident that when Ruslan announced the pairing, he gave the phone call to Simonenko as they have a very friendly relationship. I'm sure he'd give Ruslan the platform if he ever wanted to talk about the split with Sinitsina.

    On the whole Iz is an underdog and the bizarre rumors about them, it is definitely prevalent among Ilinykh fans, not just FSO teenies Post any photo and it turns into a pity party about how unloved Elena is. Like when Sotnikova wrote nice things to Sinitsina and Katsalapov, they somehow managed to come up with this notion that Vaitsekhovskaya would start writing bad things about Elena because Sotnikova, whom Vaitsekhovskaya likes, happened to like Sinitsina.

    I'm not saying there aren't Ilinykh haters (there's definitely some), but I think her fans are beginning to rival some members of the Virtue and Moir fan club in terms of the ability to turn any bit of news into a vast conspiracy. It's funny reading the old Sinitsina/Zhiganshin fan group, which was mostly populated by Vika and Ruslan's relatives, friends, anyone affiliated with Kustarova, and die hard fans. Around worlds time, the IK fans invaded the group and were complaining that no one there would discuss the rumors and the admin pretty much had to tell the IK fans that the group doesn't do pity parties.
    I'm not following any of the group you are following (), just Goldenskate, Fsuniverse and Ilinykh's instagram but I can see russian federation not behind I/Z like S/K. For example do we know who is paying training of Ilinykh/Zhiganshin? No, but we know federation is paying for Sinitsina/Katsalapov, because they said so. Don't you think this is strange? Lets forget all those talks about no money until to results but at least they could have said they are paying for Ilinykh/Zhiganshin too. Why not? Federation arranged a interview (!?!) for Sinitsina/Katsalapov with their own peoples so a brave journalist will not ask why Katsalapov break up from Ilinykh I'm still laughing this, first interview of Katsalapov and a journalist (!?) didn't ask those questions. That is a lot of different than just calling Simonenko guy. Same for TV propaganda. I'm not talking about fans or friends or their reactions, I'm talking about federation and I don't have one example to write to say russian federation behind Ilinykh/Zhiganshin, but they clearly behind Sinitsina/Katsalapov.

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    Simonenko is one of the more respected skating journalists in Russia, along with Vaitsekhovskaya. He has good relations with a lot of the skaters because they know he won't twist their words unlike the lady from sovsport. An interview with him is as good as any PR you are going to get.

    And that same woman did an interview with Kustarova a few weeks later.

    And anyway, let's face it, IZ have shown very little so far so there is nothing to write. SK came back to Russia and were giving their first interviews. That is something to write. And immediately they did an exhibition. Again, something to write about. If IZ were to do an exhibition or some other public performance, then they would get more press.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abraxis12345 View Post

    And anyway, let's face it, IZ have shown very little so far so there is nothing to write. SK came back to Russia and were giving their first interviews. That is something to write. And immediately they did an exhibition. Again, something to write about. If IZ were to do an exhibition or some other public performance, then they would get more press.
    I'm not talking about more/less press, I'm talking about how press handled by federation. Very very easy questions to Katsalapov like he didn't split from Ilinykh at all; so much hype despite to unpromising gala performance (even TV person who clearly have a mission to hype S/K said their performance was not good) Those things made me think they are behind of Sinitsina/Katsalapov. (I don't think its easy to find a journalist who will not ask ''why'') Maybe they are supporting Ilinykh/Zhiganshin too but I don't see any evidence of this. Just my observations of course.

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    I think that the whole subject about which one will be the better one from these 2 couples is just a part of the Russian advertising conspiration.
    Please, talk more about Weaver/Poje or Capellini/Lanotte, Chock/Bates versus Shibutanis, Paul/Islam versus Gilles/Poirer.These are the teams that already showed their undoubted talents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigdeal View Post
    I think that the whole subject about which one will be the better one from these 2 couples is just a part of the Russian advertising conspiration.
    Please, talk more about Weaver/Poje or Capellini/Lanotte, Chock/Bates versus Shibutanis, Paul/Islam versus Gilles/Poirer.These are the teams that already showed their undoubted talents.
    Gotta agree with this. They haven't proven themselves yet. For whatever its worth I like I/Z's slow and steady approach with not too much press. It will give them more power to make a powerful statement. Let them and their fed be quiet all they want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abraxis12345 View Post
    Here is what takes up a good chunk of a PR account executives time: contacting media outlets and praying they will pay attention to your client. Unless you are working on behalf of a bonafide A lister, your pitches often go in the trash. SK did their media blitz because they had been gone for a month, had been silent, and were planning a performance. and Marina wanted to promote them as best as possible. IZ on the other hand had been in Moscow pretty much the whole time, were not planning any public performances, and after the dust settled, there was nothing interesting to report. If IZ wanted more press, all they would have to do is pick up the phone and call Simonenko. . It's not an accident that when Ruslan announced the pairing, he gave the phone call to Simonenko as they have a very friendly relationship. I'm sure he'd give Ruslan the platform if he ever wanted to talk about the split with Sinitsina.
    Quote Originally Posted by elif
    Federation arranged a interview (!?!) for Sinitsina/Katsalapov with their own peoples so a brave journalist will not ask why Katsalapov break up from Ilinykh I'm still laughing this, first interview of Katsalapov and a journalist (!?) didn't ask those questions. That is a lot of different than just calling Simonenko guy. Same for TV propaganda. I'm not talking about fans or friends or their reactions, I'm talking about federation and I don't have one example to write to say russian federation behind Ilinykh/Zhiganshin, but they clearly behind Sinitsina/Katsalapov.
    Sinitsina & Katsalapov gave multiple articles like Zueva did, the sport journalists published much more articles about them than about Lena & Ruslan. But look at one journalist…
    Olga Ermolina is a press attache of Russian Federation. So I guess that everything what she writes about is an order of Russian Fed.

    In the middle of May there was an article where Nikita denies info from wrong Internet aacount.

    http://old.fsrussia.ru/news/1242_ade...vals-v-kremle/ …30th of May…Sotnikova and Katsalapov to dance in Kreml
    (but Plushenko, Stolbova, Klimov and Ilinykh were there also)

    http://old.fsrussia.ru/news/1240_vik...luchae-nelzya/ 29th of May…an article with Vika and Nikita

    http://old.fsrussia.ru/news/1239_mar...sSo4Z3HpEodj3A …end of May…interview with Zueva about S&K

    http://old.fsrussia.ru/news/1243_mak...teli-v-moskvu/ …end of May…interview with Trankov where he once again mentions Nikita, that he liked him with Vika, that it is totally different couple than with Lena, that he (Trankov loves to see everything new), that they learnt a lot in a one and half month.

    http://fsrussia.ru/intervyu/89-kusta...-energiej.html
    ….13th of June…interview with Kustarova

    If you look at number of Ermolina’s articles about Vika & Nikita and Lena & Ruslan….Vika & Nikita leads…Ermolina makes one article with Kustarova in the middle of June – that’s all…while with Vika & Nikita she makes one interview, another interview with their coach Zueva, Ermolina also published Nikita‘s denial of wrong account, she also announced an Olympic ball with many Olympic champions – but she noticed only Sotnikova and Katsalapov dancing together, and she also published Trankov interview who once again put some really nice words for Vika and Nikita pointing that it is really not the same like with Lena…if this is not called a propaganada of Vika & Nikita, than what is it? And because Ermolina is a press attache of Russian Federation – it once again leads to think that Russian Federation supports more Vika & Nikita & Zueva. Why? Both couples should start from the same line. Right now there is no superiot or inferior team, two couples split and changed partners. Every new born couple has a 50 percent of credit for past results with previous partners.

    You also miss one thing, Abraxis12345. Lena, Ruslan and their coaches‘ articles from the beginning of April contained a confirmation of a new partnership only and an info how shocking the situation is for them (I really doubt that Ruslan called Simonenko, I would rather say that Simonenko after reading Vaitsekhovskaya’s blog called him first, but it is not important) and Vaitsekhovskaya’s interview with Lena was full of talks about past….
    On the contrary the first article with Zueva, Vika and Nikita – not only sportsmen but also journalists started to use superlatives about the beauty, future perfection and fabulous talent of the kids.
    So one couple reports what is going in their new partnership plus finally Kustarova gives some positive info about the couple but she also talks about difficult moments in past and future – overall a very realistic way of looking, but all sporting press around Vika & Nikita & Zueva uses superlatives to describe a new team. That is quite different attitude which once again leads to think that Russian Federation support Vika & Nikita & Zueva more. Why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abraxis12345 View Post
    And anyway, let's face it, IZ have shown very little so far so there is nothing to write. SK came back to Russia and were giving their first interviews. That is something to write. And immediately they did an exhibition. Again, something to write about. If IZ were to do an exhibition or some other public performance, then they would get more press.
    That is not true, Lena & Ruslan had things to offer to public...
    Lena & Ruslan presented their skating to head coach Mikhail Stifunin only 2 weeks after they started skating together and Stifunin had a nice words for them. I expected that he is a professional – so he wanted to see not only nice smiles, crossovers and open holds, but on the contrary twizzles, some steps, synchro in skating side by side, how much speed the couple can get, compulsory steps from Paso Doble and maybe even from Finnstep because both Lena and Ruslan were skating this with previous partners – simply normal practise (sure with mention that the couple just started working together), not only some basic careful skating like in Vika and Nikita’s case which is of course understable but says nothing about the level of the couple.

    Also Ilia Averbuhk who was quite sceptic about the couple in the beginning, had a nice words about Lena and Ruslan when he saw them live and worked with them.

    And now they were working with Navarro which is something completely new and refreshing for Russian skating because nobody before did it, and Navarro has a great reputation like choreographer for Spanish dances.

    And how about video from training camp where the couple was practising lifts even that difficult Swan lift?

    Did you see some real announcement about all of it? NO. There was one small article with Stifunin, one small notice from Averbukh’s article. And without Kustarova mentioning Navarro in her interview and without Navarro himself putting pictures with kids on his site people wouldn’t even know about this choreographer. And did you see any mention in Russian press about video from training camp? Of course no. Why?

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