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Thread: Elena Ilinykh & Nikita Katsalapov Split

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    Quote Originally Posted by bramweld View Post
    In the end Lena and Rus got their act together, it would seem, regardless of the perception of favoritism for S/K. While S/K's handlers have been talking to the press it would seem almost profusely, inclusive of Nikita patting himself on the back, I/Z's camp has just been more quiet. Others have been praising them. I get the sense that they plan to do all their talking on the ice. I don't think we should be overly concerned until we see them and how they're rewarded on the GP circuit.
    Thanks Bramweld, you always know how to put big emotions down to more calm mood. Thanks to my temperament I have bigger problems to keep down my disagree, but I fully agree with you that skaters will speak with their skating mainly.

    I they really do….Antonio Navarro is coming to Moscow these days to work on details with Lena & Ruslan on their SD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sisinka View Post
    Thanks Bramweld, you always know how to put big emotions down to more calm mood. Thanks to my temperament I have bigger problems to keep down my disagree, but I fully agree with you that skaters will speak with their skating mainly.

    I they really do….Antonio Navarro is coming to Moscow these days to work on details with Lena & Ruslan on their SD.
    Nice

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    I find the conspiracy theories about Russian Federation not supporting Ruslan and Elena a bit off putting. I have been hoping that they will do great and beat S/K, but if this is what their fans are, I think I am getting turned off them a bit. Maybe I will have to find some other couple to support.

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    I think at the moment, the Fed doesn't show more support for any of these 2. They are just waiting for them to show their best. It's Zueva, and whoever behind Nikita/Vik did all the PR. They even got a post on fb of ISU magazine.

    It will not work if they show up as boring as their first ex. And Zueva is still looking for the right stars, and she hasn't find them yet.

    Ruslan and Lena chose to stay quiet, and I think it's better not to creat too much hype like S/K did. At least they will not be expected as the fastest team in the world. anyways Lena also got a post on ISU FB, it's a clip of her skating as a single skater when she was 9.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hanca View Post
    I find the conspiracy theories about Russian Federation not supporting Ruslan and Elena a bit off putting. I have been hoping that they will do great and beat S/K, but if this is what their fans are, I think I am getting turned off them a bit. Maybe I will have to find some other couple to support.
    The fans will calm down soon enough when they hit the ice. Given the leniency Nikita was shown some fans have misinterpreted this as a bias towards S/K. The fed IMHO, was just giving him more time to avoid making a decision he might regret. While I don't appreciate the tactics OF SOME DIEHARDS (not all of us are), their actions are not that surprising. Harsh words and actions towards a newly minted and clearly appreciated Olympic bronze medalist will incur a little flak, right? Does he expect her to clean up this mess the same way she handled their interviews at worlds when the news broke that he was dumping her? It's just a little laughable really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bramweld View Post
    The fans will calm down soon enough when they hit the ice. Given the leniency Nikita was shown some fans have misinterpreted this as a bias towards S/K. The fed IMHO, was just giving him more time to avoid making a decision he might regret. While I don't appreciate the tactics OF SOME DIEHARDS (not all of us are), their actions are not that surprising. Harsh words and actions towards a newly minted and clearly appreciated Olympic bronze medalist will incur a little flak, right? Does he expect her to clean up this mess the same way she handled their interviews at worlds when the news broke that he was dumping her? It's just a little laughable really.
    You know, I absolutely agree with everything. But I wouldn't call people that called one of the two skaters terrible names in April,fans..ly.
    Both Lena and Ruslan have reacted admirably to everything considering the circumstances and people should follow their example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hanca View Post
    I find the conspiracy theories about Russian Federation not supporting Ruslan and Elena a bit off putting. I have been hoping that they will do great and beat S/K, but if this is what their fans are, I think I am getting turned off them a bit. Maybe I will have to find some other couple to support.
    Maybe you should. I remember you as the one who complained russian federation treated Ilinykh better than talented skaters like Khoklova or Mukhortova and she is very lucky (!?) because of that. I didn't know you liked Ilinykh but If ''believes of some fans'' turned you from one skater this means you never really liked that skater. For example I don't like some Virtue/Moir fans (you know their baby or hateful comments about Davis/White) but this never turned me from Virtue/Moir. Maybe you are very new to ice dance, otherwise you will not find a team to support If you are looking fan comments.

    I only read here and FSU, so everytime one complained for fans I'm like= Peoples shouldn't follow crazy groups or websites like Virtue/Moir's fan site for example. OK If they want, at least please don't generalize every fan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sisinka View Post
    I they really do….Antonio Navarro is coming to Moscow these days to work on details with Lena & Ruslan on their SD.
    Do you know when is the test skates sisinka?

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    Quote Originally Posted by elif View Post
    Maybe you should. I remember you as the one who complained russian federation treated Ilinykh better than talented skaters like Khoklova or Mukhortova and she is very lucky (!?) because of that. I didn't know you liked Ilinykh but If ''believes of some fans'' turned you from one skater this means you never really liked that skater. For example I don't like some Virtue/Moir fans (you know their baby or hateful comments about Davis/White) but this never turned me from Virtue/Moir. Maybe you are very new to ice dance, otherwise you will not find a team to support If you are looking fan comments.

    I only read here and FSU, so everytime one complained for fans I'm like= Peoples shouldn't follow crazy groups or websites like Virtue/Moir's fan site for example. OK If they want, at least please don't generalize every fan.
    Complained that they treated her better? Come on! Seriously? I may have pointed out that she still could be treated worse but I definitely did not complain about it! One complains about things that he/she is unhappy or bother her/him. I am definitely not unhappy about how neither Elena or Nikita were treated.

    You didn't know I liked Ilinykh - well maybe read the forum! Yes I was very unhappy how Nikita behaved to Elena, so I would not be talking about that if I didn't like her and her skating.

    And no, I am not following crazy groups or websites; it is reading this thread that is slowly turning me off her. In fact, posts of two posters. I am not generalising it to every fan, but those posts are seriously exhausting for me; at times I think they don't have much reasoning in them, are repetitive and it is serious turn off. I admire that you don't get turned off a skater, but now every time I am going to see the skater I am going to remembers posts like that. And no, I am not new to ice dance; I have been watching skating for more than 30 years. And I usually find a team to support.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hanca View Post

    And no, I am not following crazy groups or websites; it is reading this thread that is slowly turning me off her. In fact, posts of two posters. I am not generalising it to every fan, but those posts are seriously exhausting for me; at times I think they don't have much reasoning in them, are repetitive and it is serious turn off.
    Oh that is easy. You can ignore those posters. I don't know how it is done but I know posters can do that in GoldenSkate.

    Where is the skyfly by the way?

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    Guys...it's evident that people who used to say awful things about a skater personally, could have a totally different agenda like turn off people and make them support the ones they still use pet names for..
    Not that this is happening here, but just a mention.

    Most of the fans I know from here, and other places we've been together last season, are normal thinking people.
    And let's just focus on how the skaters themselves deal with everything, which wasn't good anyway.They should be an example, especially how I/Z handled the whole thing.


    Anyway I think the split is history now, it's funny we are still discussing about all this in here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hanca View Post
    I find the conspiracy theories about Russian Federation not supporting Ruslan and Elena a bit off putting. I have been hoping that they will do great and beat S/K, but if this is what their fans are, I think I am getting turned off them a bit. Maybe I will have to find some other couple to support.
    That is why I spend time finding articles and interviews to avoid such conspiracy charge from you or anybody else. So every journalist, Kustarova, Alexeeva, Lena and Ruslan, Zueva made a conspiracy theory making those acts and giving those articles? Really?

    I was citing you published articles about the situation…
    Now support YOUR IDEAS with published articles or words which were said by some of skaters or coach to support why you think that Kustarova and Lena & Ruslan (using your words):
    1)They didn’t know what the heck is going on, so they waited until 4th of June with request to Federation. “
    2) That “it is understandable that Lena & Ruslan and their coaches were in no hurry of announcing a new couple because they did not know what Sinitsina and Katsalapov's decision will be. “
    3) That “I/Z were not the ones making the decisions and therefore they were always one step behind S/K. “
    (it is true that Nikita was first to come with split, but head coach saw I&Z sooner that S&K).
    4) That “I&Z couldn't make any plans if they didn't know what S/K's plans were while S/K had their try-out. “
    (Uhh told you that try-out of S&K was in no touch to I or Z, so if the try-out would work poorly, Nikita and Vika would be looking for new partners, not coming back to old ones…you or Uhh, one of you must be wrong, no?).
    5) That “the Russian Federation wants the results and they don't care who they come from. “ (Sending Kovtun to last years World and European Champs instead of Menshov or Gachinski was really “the best result plan“? Not protesting agains technical specialists Jost who gave four deductions to Sinitsina & Zhiganshin at Winter Universiade 2013 while only one deduction was OK is fighting for the best results? Really? Tarasova who wanted to send Bukin at World Champs was an attempt for best possible result?)
    6)Lena and Ruslan did not approach the Federation earlier because they did not know what the outcome of the S/K's trial will be.“ – where did you find any info in articles about this???? You yourself wrote few posts later that Kustarova wanted to know the situation as soon as possible to make decision. Don’t you think that official request made by Vika and Nikita in front of Gorshkov did not openly said to Kustarova and her students how Nikita decided? Don’t you think that a visit of head coach couldn’t be a proposal for new pairing for I and Z?
    7)But until May Lena and Ruslan did not know whether this is permanent swap. “ – where did you find any confirmation in interview about it? The couple was working with Averbuhk on new FD in second half of May, but in your eyes they didn’t plan to skate together for sure???
    8)In regards to your question why would be Nikita the first one and the only one to decide, well, Elena was willing to skate with him, and he was not willing to skate with her. That gave him the power. “ – in moment when split happened, yes….but then? Where did you read that since Lena started to work in Kustarova’s group, she was still that one who was willing Nikita? Did she told you? Did she mentioned it in some interview straightly?

    Don't you think that unreal theories about things which no skater or coach every said are done by you instead? No? Did they really tell it? Where?

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    Quote Originally Posted by elif View Post
    Do you know when is the test skates sisinka?
    I don't remember that anyone would mention date for Ice Dance, but Alena Leonova was speaking about 18th of August for Singles, but she was not 100% sure of it (and sometimes Single skaters have different date for Test Skate then Ice Dancers).

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    The Ice Dance seminars are at the end of August if the closed test skates will take place in Novogorsk of course

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    Quote Originally Posted by hanca View Post
    And no, I am not following crazy groups or websites; it is reading this thread that is slowly turning me off her. In fact, posts of two posters. I am not generalising it to every fan, but those posts are seriously exhausting for me; at times I think they don't have much reasoning in them, are repetitive and it is serious turn off. I admire that you don't get turned off a skater, but now every time I am going to see the skater I am going to remembers posts like that. And no, I am not new to ice dance; I have been watching skating for more than 30 years. And I usually find a team to support.
    If you don't see reasoning using articles than in what?

    First you try to make a hater from me because I criticised I&K rhythm issues, easy choreography, not good work of free leg, twizzles and another small issues.....than you mind that I don't see a fair behaviour to LENA and Ruslan....but you yourself admit in one of your last posts, that: "In regards to your question why would be Nikita the first one and the only one to decide, well, Elena was willing to skate with him, and he was not willing to skate with her. That gave him the power. (No, it is not fair, but it all depended on his decision whether he will skate with her or not)."
    So, you yourself told that the situation was not fair to Lena and Ruslan, but when I noticed it, you denied it every time I wrote it. Does it give you sense?

    I still think that I and K have things to improve in skating, but with or without loving their skating style, I don't like to see unfair behaviour to any skater, no matter if he is good/bad/lovely/brown-haired. If you and some others didn't try to persuade the whole world that Russian Fed is equal to everybody and fair playing, those fights would be never born.

    But Bramweld and some others are right, let's finish this, it is really exhausting to try to prove you anything using anything when your answer is pure: You are wrong, wrong and wrong without any article/interview to prove it.

    And Elif notice about ignoring my posts are good idea. I would be sad if I would caused that Golden Skate and Lena would loose such fan like you. I am not worthwile it.

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